He isn't lying about his take home pay. I know a few TRE's in RYR who are on the new deal and are taking home £9k+ (this will include working a day off or so).

Over the year the monthly take home pay will be less than that, probably somewhere in the region of £7-8k per month for a TRE.

Pay in RYR isn't bad, as the post above states, people don't have an issue with the pay, it's all the other stuff.

As a line captain on FR contract (with the new increased package) and 70 hrs a month on average the take home pay is about €7000 per month. If one pays pension say €600 per month then is €6400 but in the pension fund €1200 are deposited, since the company matches it. After 3 consecutive years in the pension scheme then you take the full amount away, or if you leave before, just your money. Now deduct all other things ( loss of licence insurance, medical, parking, food and drinks on board etc), for me is about €500 per month.
So now the math is easy. Roughly €6000 in the pocket, and €1200 saved in the pension every month. Is that ok? Well for a home base, on an admittedly good roster, or whatever delivers a desired lifestyle then the glass is probably half full. Otherwise the good news is that there are plenty of options. At home and away.
This is not a Ryanair apologetic post. On the contrary. It's the facts. And of course things can get much better, on a lot of things.
National contracts, medical, loss of licence, just to name a few. Hopefully soon.

I've been reliably informed that a line CPT is on £125k, LTC £135k, TRE and Base Captains £155k give or take a few grand either way. That's UK PAYE gross figure.

Isn't this the new deal that the majority of Ryanair pilots that 'united' were urging everybody not to accept?

Sounds a bit more realistic, but £155k certainly doesn't equate to £9400 net per month.

Aye, that's the new deal - a chunk of those figures are probably related to 'Productivity bonus' and not engaging with unions.

So we have Ryanair pilots willy-waving about their take home pay with the new deal, a condition of which is no union negotiation, on the same page as others claiming that the unions are going to get them a 'package that's hard to compete with'. Sounds like a united work force all singing from the same hymn sheet...

Still trying to work out how £155k takes home £9400 too

Well said Vokes55. The Willy waving Ryanair Pilots. Grow up. It’s pathetic.
Unless of course you are management people, who's real aim is to keep the status quo...

Some people in Ryanair have a seriously long month, work days off and get numerous day off payments etc etc, get paid their absolute maximum for a month and then come on pprune and imply this is there ‘average’ monthly net.

ok so can we all come to a conclusion... a normal line captain @ RF will make a minimum of 5500 Euros to a maximum of 6500 Euros.. off course with the new terms ...

Any contract where you don’t get your food and water, medical, uniform, loss of license etc. paid by the company is absolutely ridiculous. Not to mention the pension. Sometimes it feels that some people are so “Ryanized” that they can’t tell the difference anymore.

FR puts every single money worth detail in the job advert and then sums it up as a “salary”. What an utter bulls*it. It’s a disgrace to call any of the options as “industry leading conditions”, only industry leading there is the number of people who are leaving the company.

Best decision you can do in there is to leave.

I know enough people in FR and have read these forums long enough to tell you that, that is the current rate for a line captain. It may well increase in the coming months with the new deals/unionisation.

Thank you MaverickPrime.

Easyjet, European contract, is 9000 euros net plus all the trimmings
Norwegian is 7500 euros net per month plus all the trimmings

RYR 6500 and you pay for everything. A looooooong way from industry leading, even among the LOCO´s . Some here suffer from Stockholm syndrome....

I, as well, definetly agree with that. No more than 6500€, average 5500€ (as CPT with the "improved package" what they call it...) and thats when you fly around 80-85h. With a Ryanair contract you get ONLY paid around 51 Euros per block hour and of course thats gonna be taxed as well.

They are still below industry standards with salary, pension, allowances!

ROFL, apposite comparison:D

I don't know about that. What SD and Normal Pilot say about pay at FR seems about right to me.

An ordinary line Captain on the current standard contract at FR takes home an average of £6k plus £1k for their pension. The HMRC tax calculator says that is the equivalent of a normal world gross salary of £130k. It might not match Easyjet etc for take home pay or benefits, but there it is.

Nobody is waving willys.

Yes, but it’s the UK salary.

Other bases will pocket less than that. 5000-5500 Euro/net in Belgium unless things have changed much. Then some things come cheaper than others in different places, child care for instance is expensive in the UK.

The only people that include extras such as the £1000 monthly pension contribution are people like you. It’s meaningless. Nobody else in the airline industry does this. The FR pilot remuneration is awful, no matter how you try wrap it up. If your intention in presenting the ‘facts’ this way is to make yourself feel better, then god bless you. If your intention is to confuse and muddy the waters, then so be it. The pilot community has seen through FR claims that they pay market leading salaries... which they never did!

and still are not! contrary to all the spin.

I was chatting to a brand new f/o in Dublin a few weeks back, all very enthusiastic but already the gloss was wearing off, talking about the tax advantages of being self employed and how with training costs he would be unlikely to pay any tax for the next 2 years, he’d been there 3 months on line and had already applied to Jet2 & Norwegian, advised to do by his line trainers ?

The simple fact that we have a thread about joining this company in the experienced pilots section reveals a lot about our category!

Unbelievable.

Frankly, I don't understand why you're on this thread. Why don't you go grind your axe elsewhere? The same could be said for many other who have been contributing negatively to Ryanair threads for years despite having no direct involvement or current knowledge of the company.

I wasn't for one second suggesting Ryanair offer market leading salaries. :ugh: I've yet to meet somebody who believes that. Neither am I muddying the waters by putting facts onto the thread.

As you wish to be pedantic, I ought to clarify that I wasn't including pension as an extra. I was simply making it clear that the net figure I gave is after deducting my pension contribution from gross salary so we're all comparing apples and apples.

As an outside observer, it’s crystal clear that Ryanair is certainly not the best, but it certainly isn’t the worst either. Look at some Other lcc’s like Wizz, vueling, I’d rather be at Ryanair than one of those. EasyJet isn’t exactly the land of milk and honey either, you fly just as many hours as Ryanair and the roster doesn’t seem to be as stable as Ryanair, ok you gain a few grand and a couple of benefits, but it’s very much swings and roundabouts. EasyJet Ts&Cs and Jet2 roster is where we should be at.

Please tell me the Fuel league tables aren’t still a thing?

As an industry, we are so well organised we even have to argue about what folk get paid.

It is truly pathetic.

Are you telling me the union(s) - recognised or not - don't know what the pay scales are at some of the biggest operators in Europe?

As the only folk who benefit from these smoke and mirrors antics are the managers, it just goes to show just how disorganised the pilot work force truly is.

Everyone just join Unite, and we will be truly united, and transparent.

Of course, pilots are too superior to do this en-mass .

(Hemlet on ready to get savaged, as in usual on pprune).

You might be better served by a helmet ....

One is the 'new kid on the block' = Norwegian, perhaps struggling financially and without Fort Knox reserves: the other is 'Europe's biggest and most favourite airline' that threatens the national bank with cash reserves. There are many competitors of various hues in between. It would seem lacking in ambition for one to trumpet that their 'new deal' on there basis of paying more than the other. They forget to say is their package is considerably less than many in between, based upon size. If you want to be thought of as top of the tree then you should be top of the tree in reality in all departments; not just better than one competitor in the lower half.

Most contributors, myself included, have left the company within the last 2-3 years. We all know how :mad: it is.

And some stayed on to try and make things better because joining TOM on a PPY50 or BA just wasn’t an option financially. Middle East just isn’t an option either for a lot of us. Jet2, Easy, or Norwegian? No bases that I have any desire to be at.

Ryanair works for many people because it has to. Same for a lot of employers. I doubt anyone needs reminded that the company still has a lot of growing up to do. However it’s unlikely that that will ever happen with the current management.

I left for a better option because that option was there. For some whom I know are still there, there is no other option. I really hope it becomes a better place for them. It wouldn’t take much.

do you not mean Ryanair roster? 5/4 v Jet 2 5/2

“Twiddling my thumbs all winter”

Get a hobby! After a full on summer at pretty much any airline these days, I for one need and look forward to the quieter winters.

I spent 3 years at RYR. Not an awful time I have to say, but once you’ve experienced a proper airline you really do look back and feel sorry for the guys.

jonesyinthesky

5/4 is hugely overrated in my opinion, atleast in Ryanairs world where they can change your pattern (sometimes several times in a year) and wipeout your holiday plans. Sometimes they're kind enough to warn you in advance, but sometimes they forget.

Then with the garbage leave system, you have to cancel or rearrange your plans. It is far from the holy grail of rosters.

I'd give BALPA a call and seek some advice from their employment advisors.

'Twidding my thumbs all winter' has been the best part about leaving Ryanair. I've had far more opportunities to travel, I started playing football again, taken up two new sports and I'm in better shape than I ever was at Ryanair, both physically and mentally.

Can't really reason with people that live to work and not the other way around. Each to their own.

TheMightyAtom

It isn't the Holy Grail but it's much more stable than most. People like Vokes who left 3 years ago when the company wasn't what it is now, may see no benefit in a 5/4 because they're presumably free of many domestic responsibilities. For many of us with families, a 5/4 is very useful when determining childcare requirements and school drop offs etc for months in advance. Sure, when you're young and free, a busy summer where you'd be home 4 out of 14 days and a winter where you hardly ever fly and instead get to go skiing regularly, is all you need.

who left 3 years ago when the company wasn't what it is now

that had me spitting my coffee out! I admire your optimism!

By all accounts (friends still there) it's worse now than when 'people like me' left. I agree that 5/4 is useful, but in three years at Ryanair I had my pattern changed five times, only once with prior (1 month) warning.

Not very useful when you've planned your next six months and suddenly your working every day you expected to be off.

Other than throwing a few quid about what has gotten better? "We are improving the leave system" - I've heard that one every single year since the noughties.

I agree and lets face it most 'proper airlines' are long gone....

I worked for one but then it went bust.....but then I only did 250 - 300 hrs a year got pro rata what I get paid today and that was 20 years a go and on a turboprop. Probably why it went bust ultimately and 9/11 of course.

The aviation world has gone backwards thats a fact.

Now I work for Ryanair.....