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Originally Posted by MaverickPrime
(Post 10481976)
Would it be safe to say that a STN FO, once 500hrs+ and upgraded from the cadet contract, would get £4000 net per month? |
Originally Posted by Hawker400
(Post 10482107)
Quick tax calculator for JFO is around 3500£. Plenty of experienced TR friends average 3700-4000€ with Portuguese/German contracts.
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Originally Posted by MaverickPrime
(Post 10482568)
Fair enough, I thought it was £75k/year gross. That comes out of the tax calculator at £4000/month net. So just wanted to confirm that? https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....08d2cbcbe6.jpg |
Not sure those salaries are still current as the pay structure has definitely changed after the union deals
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Originally Posted by BoeingLudo737
(Post 10482636)
Not sure those salaries are still current as the pay structure has definitely changed after the union deals
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Originally Posted by Ryanairrecruitment
(Post 10482830)
here you go new salaries FO rates for UK new joiners
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e270b4b96b.jpg |
Originally Posted by Ryanairrecruitment
(Post 10482830)
here you go new salaries FO rates for UK new joiners
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e270b4b96b.jpg |
Originally Posted by Hawker400
(Post 10482589)
I don't have the original document for some reason but it was found here in the forum. I just have the snap saved and numbers were confirmed from a few colleagues. Curious about SFO if anyone has any data.
Only captains hit the 850/900h mark. FOs VERY rarely manage to fly that amount of hours per year. At present in fact FOs are flying much less as the company hired a huge amount of cadets. If you join as a cadet/DEFO expect to enjoy several -unpaid- 12h standbys per block. If you get to choose, Ryanair direct contract is a no brainer as it literally saves the income during winter. |
Hey ryanairrecruitment, Has lauda motion any plans to open more bases? whens it expected ryanair will open recruitment for DEC again and is this dependent on 737 max deliveries? excellent idea communicating on this website thank you, one thing that can’t be said about ryanair is they pretend to be something they are not. Just keep the camel out of it ;) |
Those are pretty decent figures to be honest, especially for people new to the industry.
Also, if FOs VERY rarely manage to fly 850h/yr; they obviously can't complain about fatigue, especially on a fixed pattern roster with no nightshift. |
If you think that a roster with 750/800 hours, with often 4 sectors days and 5 early reports in a row cannot be fatiguing, Sir, you are perfect Ryanair material, or have never been in the industry before. |
Originally Posted by dirk85
(Post 10483609)
If you think that a roster with 750/800 hours, with often 4 sectors day and 5 early reports in a row cannot be fatiguing, Sir, you are perfect Ryanair material, or have never been in the industry before. they just need a few years to discover it |
Originally Posted by MaverickPrime
(Post 10483604)
Those are pretty decent figures to be honest, especially for people new to the industry.
Also, if FOs VERY rarely manage to fly 850h/yr; they obviously can't complain about fatigue, especially on a fixed pattern roster with no nightshift. |
Originally Posted by Full_blast
(Post 10483152)
The SFO figures don't change that much, maybe 2k to 4k per year depending on country and base. Only captains hit the 850/900h mark. FOs VERY rarely manage to fly that amount of hours per year. At present in fact FOs are flying much less as the company hired a huge amount of cadets. If you join as a cadet/DEFO expect to enjoy several -unpaid- 12h standbys per block. If you get to choose, Ryanair direct contract is a no brainer as it literally saves the income during winter. |
Originally Posted by MaverickPrime
(Post 10483604)
Those are pretty decent figures to be honest, especially for people new to the industry.
Also, if FOs VERY rarely manage to fly 850h/yr; they obviously can't complain about fatigue, especially on a fixed pattern roster with no nightshift. USA1pilot is an exception then, I have feedbacks from several people across the whole network and the FOs are complaining about the little amount of hours they are being scheduled. Especially those that refused the Ryanair direct contract because in their opinion they could earn more money than a captain. Then the market changed and all they're left with are 60h/month summer rosters after a winter spent flying 30h/month. |
Originally Posted by dirk85
(Post 10483609)
If you think that a roster with 750/800 hours, with often 4 sectors days and 5 early reports in a row cannot be fatiguing, Sir, you are perfect Ryanair material, or have never been in the industry before. I have spent around 25 years flying for two UK airlines, both sadly went bust. I now find myself at RYR, and I can assure you that the fixed 5/4 roster pattern is excellent for managing fatigue, unlike the variable rosters I had at my previous employers. There is minimal roster disruption too (again, unlike my previous airlines). Just wanted to add this to add a bit of perspective to comments I have read. |
Originally Posted by Pumal1w
(Post 10484571)
After many years of perusing this forum, I feel obliged to actually register and reply to this comment. I have spent around 25 years flying for two UK airlines, both sadly went bust. I now find myself at RYR, and I can assure you that the fixed 5/4 roster pattern is excellent for managing fatigue, unlike the variable rosters I had at my previous employers. There is minimal roster disruption too (again, unlike my previous airlines). Just wanted to add this to add a bit of perspective to comments I have read. If you live in Malaga or a 2 sectors base is not bad but if you work in a base like Madrid for example is big disgrace. 4 sectors 25 min turnaround and loooong taxi plus slots... simple, it is a completely different work. |
I find some of the comments on here highly suspect.
I'd imagine it goes without saying, but if you're thinking of joining, I'd suggest you speak to someone who actually works there, not trusting the words upon an annonymous internet forum. |
Samba I’m going to guess that you have never worked for a Uk based charter airline? Random roster all summer with very few weekend days off, night flights, short notice roster changes etc etc.This is commonplace in the UK. My experience exactly mirrors that of Pumal1w. I guess my username reveals my former employer but I know that other UK charter operators have similar rostering issues. There are are many things to moan about in RYR but in my experience the fixed roster is definitely not one of them. Obviously the charter airline summer carnage is mainly a Northern European phenomenon and it may well be that our colleagues in Southern Europe have superior rostering practices. I should also point out that I have been extremely fortunate not to have to commute which obviously results on a more pleasant work/life balance. |
Originally Posted by clvf88
(Post 10485452)
I find some of the comments on here highly suspect.
I'd imagine it goes without saying, but if you're thinking of joining, I'd suggest you speak to someone who actually works there, not trusting the words upon an annonymous internet forum. |
Originally Posted by spottyemm
(Post 10485532)
Samba I’m going to guess that you have never worked for a Uk based charter airline? Random roster all summer with very few weekend days off, night flights, short notice roster changes etc etc.This is commonplace in the UK. My experience exactly mirrors that of Pumal1w. I guess my username reveals my former employer but I know that other UK charter operators have similar rostering issues. There are are many things to moan about in RYR but in my experience the fixed roster is definitely not one of them. Obviously the charter airline summer carnage is mainly a Northern European phenomenon and it may well be that our colleagues in Southern Europe have superior rostering practices. I should also point out that I have been extremely fortunate not to have to commute which obviously results on a more pleasant work/life balance. But I agree so far that 5/4 is one of the few good things(and I need 2 of this 4 off days just to recover from my "pleasant" 5 days on). And being more or less every day with my family(which is only true for those of us who managed to get the base of their choice. On Commuting this job is a nightmare). Nothing more. |
Originally Posted by tomuchwork
(Post 10485857)
Last block of your comment - ermmm, hell no. Southern Europe is the same crap as northern Europe if not even worse. How would you come to this conclusion? The south does a s**tload of flights up north, combined with internal routes. So no, no beer/vine while laying on my pool doing nothing. Only thing that is true as well for the south - we have as well 5/4. Nothing else. You mistake bases doing only mid range flights(and for this reason ending up with only 2 sectors/day) with the GENERAL situation in all southern bases.
But I agree so far that 5/4 is one of the few good things(and I need 2 of this 4 off days just to recover from my "pleasant" 5 days on). And being more or less every day with my family(which is only true for those of us who managed to get the base of their choice. On Commuting this job is a nightmare). Nothing more. |
Regarding the 'fixed' 5/4 - are they still rostering sims / deadheading for 'out of base' on days off?
Also, are rosters still only confirmed with one weeks notice? |
For me at least, both of those have been rostered within the 5 day block.
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Originally Posted by clvf88
(Post 10486475)
Regarding the 'fixed' 5/4 - are they still rostering sims / deadheading for 'out of base' on days off?
Also, are rosters still only confirmed with one weeks notice? What do you mean by confirmed? Although the active week is confirmed, they still can make changes! So I wouldn't really count on that. |
Originally Posted by plikee
(Post 10487819)
It depends a lot if they are short on that base or not. 1 day off might be for DH.
What do you mean by confirmed? Although the active week is confirmed, they still can make changes! So I wouldn't really count on that. |
Originally Posted by Newcomer2
(Post 10488010)
Tell me you get overtime pay for that (day off rate)? |
Originally Posted by plikee
(Post 10487819)
It depends a lot if they are short on that base or not. 1 day off might be for DH.
What do you mean by confirmed? Although the active week is confirmed, they still can make changes! So I wouldn't really count on that. |
Yep, again the DH might happen in your 5 working days and lately that has been the case but if you out of base from a place with not so good connections then you might only be able to DH back on you day 1 off. You won't lose your days off for a flying duty including the ones out of the active week. If they roster you for that, just ask them politely to remove it and they will, don't have any choice really. The only time you only have 3 days off and work 6 days is during your simulator week, twice a year.
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Originally Posted by plikee
(Post 10488086)
Yep, again the DH might happen in your 5 working days and lately that has been the case but if you out of base from a place with not so good connections then you might only be able to DH back on you day 1 off. You won't lose your days off for a flying duty including the ones out of the active week. If they roster you for that, just ask them politely to remove it and they will, don't have any choice really. The only time you only have 3 days off and work 6 days is during your simulator week, twice a year.
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A couple of facts that we are probably all familiar with but just in case;
In FR; 1. DH on days off shouldn't happen 2. Days off are days off! 3. 5/4 is inifinitum except 6/3 twice a year. 4. Pilots will be pilots.......... 5. Rostering depts will be rostering depts and chance their arm....... When I come across a pilot that's positioned on a day off or been rostered for something odd outside the norm 5/4, I ask did you complain/point it out and get it changed? Pilots response; 1. Didn't want to rock the boat got my command coming up. 2. Didn't want to rock the boat hoping to my transfer to Malaga/Alicante/Tenerife etc 3. Didn't want to rock the boat at all. 4. Suited me - WHAT?? 5. If I got it changed they might move my sim and I want it out of the way... 6. Im new so didn't want to rock the boat. You get the idea. So we don't do ourselves any favours and rostering depts know how to play the game. Personally anything odd or weird thats appeared on my roster has always been changed back to how it should be. But you have to ask! |
Does FR still holds bases in Scandinavia? If yes, where and are those direct possibilities after TR training? Considering the possibility to relocate back to the North.
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Originally Posted by breakdip
(Post 10488858)
Does FR still holds bases in Scandinavia? If yes, where and are those direct possibilities after TR training? Considering the possibility to relocate back to the North.
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There was quite a bit of experienced NTR FO recruitment about 6/7 months ago. Any word if that might be happening again soon?
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Originally Posted by plikee
(Post 10488086)
Yep, again the DH might happen in your 5 working days and lately that has been the case but if you out of base from a place with not so good connections then you might only be able to DH back on you day 1 off. You won't lose your days off for a flying duty including the ones out of the active week. If they roster you for that, just ask them politely to remove it and they will, don't have any choice really. The only time you only have 3 days off and work 6 days is during your simulator week, twice a year.
Another fantastic trend I discovered(at least it happened to me a few times) - they do not reach you on your off days(because they want you to fly) and I never answer company calls IN my off days sometimes they just decide to put a WOFF(working day off) in my roster. If I don't like it I have to start to deal with them. Again - I do not like to deal with people that do not give a s*** about what I need. Might it be operational(asking for a re-route that for sure would work but they prefer the cheaper route with a slot delay or a CI100 FPL and at best they decide to ignore that annoying stupid captain that simply should fly his tiny plane and should not bother dealing with the mothership) or any other requests that are out of the CLA. All a big game here and I am tired of playing it. |
Originally Posted by Thepirate
(Post 10483492)
Hey ryanairrecruitment, Has lauda motion any plans to open more bases? whens it expected ryanair will open recruitment for DEC again and is this dependent on 737 max deliveries? excellent idea communicating on this website thank you, one thing that can’t be said about ryanair is they pretend to be something they are not. Just keep the camel out of it ;) 1 - Cadets - Hiring 650+ over the next 12 months 2 - Non - Type Rated FO's - No hiring indefinitely 3 - Non - Type Rated Captains - No hiring indefinitely 4 - Rated FOs - some hiring 5 - Rated Captains - will be reviewed early 2020 Our sister airline, Lauda Motion are currently recruiting rated and non-type rated captains for Vienna and Palma base for 2020 and a new base TBC - email [email protected] with ''Pilot Application'' in the subject bar to be considered. Thanks |
Lauda motion
Hi Ryanairrecruitment Do you have T&C’s for Non-rated Captains in PMI? Thanks |
Originally Posted by Stjuk
(Post 10491259)
Hi Ryanairrecruitment Do you have T&C’s for Non-rated Captains in PMI? Thanks |
Hi Ryanairrecruitment,
Do you have any info about possible future NTR FO (experienced) recruitment for LAUDA? Thanks |
Originally Posted by Ryanairrecruitment
(Post 10491043)
Hi Guys and Girls jumping into this thread. I can see a lot of different info being banded about but just to update everyone on recruitment.
1 - Cadets - Hiring 650+ over the next 12 months 2 - Non - Type Rated FO's - No hiring indefinitely |
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