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I don’t work for Jet2.com...look closer to home.

Even so, a lot of the other airlines could be considered ‘proper’ compared to this lot.

The wonder of the 5/4 roster is wearing thinner than managements claim that pilot salaries average between 125-150K per annum

I'd understand your point of view if anything like that had ever happened to me. I've rarely heard of pattern changes except on command upgrades or base changes.

As I say, the stable roster pattern is extremely helpful for those with families and childcare needs. It need not be 5/4, it could be 5/3 or anything else, but provided it's predictable, it makes planning possible.

Really? In what way?

Hello, just out of curiosity; what would be the best Ryanair base regarding pay and living conditions?

Catania it is then!

Me thinks Doppio might have a closer affinity to Catania/Italy than Vastreas/Sweden.

ryanair DEC pension
 

Hi Lazydog, can you confirm what you said about the pension is correct,
as i took it that RYR will match up to £8000 what a captain elects to pay in, it sounds like your saying RYR will give £8000 and also match up to an additional £8000 that would be interesting thanks

Ryanaid don’t ‘give’ you £8000 for the pension AND up to a further £8000 more matching your contribution of £8000. That’d be £24,000 a year into the pension.

They simply match whatever you put in up to £8000. If you put in £5000 they’ll do the same I believe. If you put in £10k they’ll put in £8k.

For what it’s worth too, and unless I’m mistake this £8000 is actually still £6000 for us in the company already and based in Stansted, as we said no to the deal. DEC’s will get the deal we said no too. Funny isn’t it.

#cantwaittoleave

VJW, what happens to FO’s already in the company upgrading to CPT? Do they get the new deal?

What happens to cadets joining the company now, will they get the new deal when they get a permanent contract?

Under EU labour law it is necessary to treat equal contracts as equal: i.e. two employees doing the same job on the same contract where one can not be treated 'less favourably' than the other. I once had such a claim against a company where a fellow captain had extra benefits allocated. His contract was a copy/paste of mine, but he had some dubious verbal agreements that gave significant unjustifiable advantages. It was not only against me, but all similar colleagues who were not aware of the set up. I complained & won in that the unjustifiable extras were removed. It was a shame as we were punting for being elevated to the same deal. As it was a dodgy deal in the first place there was only one realistic outcome.
I would question whether it would be permissible to issue differing contracts for line pilots at the same base, doing the same job, but being rewarded differently. Much would depend on who would be prepared to stand up or lie down.

Can anyone tell me if Ryan provide Headsets in the cockpit or pilots have to catty their own?
many thanks in advance.

Get yourself aq good noise-cancelling headset; it'll make your day SO much easier! (noise = stress!)

Yes, if you ask for a direct employment contract you’ll almost certainly get one as a DEFO.

I’d strongly advise against even considering the dodgy contractor option.... it’s a real Can of worms. If no direct contract offered I’d walk away.

All direct entry FOs and Captains are offered permanent contracts.

does ryanair pay for TR ? the market is on our side, so I will apply only if they pay for the TR.

No, they don't pay for TR.

Non rated Captains are bonded for three years. Only rated FOs with time on type or cadets recruited for the RHS. Rated FOs offered permanent contracts on joining. Cadets can apply at 1800 hours in the company If I’m not mistaken.

UK permanent FOs average around £3500 net. Busier summer months a bit more obviously.

Could anyone shed some light on Ryanair accepting ICAO ATPL for type rated DEFO. How much time is given on the validation before having to convert etc?

Many thanks!

12 months to validate but they have a long list of direct entry FOs and doubt they will look at DEFO, they would look at ICAO captains and its a straightforward process, they have just hired a lot of Brazillians through this channel.

depends what you are talking about, type rating for cadets is circa €30k, no type rating for direct entry Captains and non type rated captains is a 3 year reducing bond of €15k, so you pay €5k each year.

direct entry fo contracts being offered all over the place, carpe diem and all that

Just how desperate are they for DEC's?

Assuming rated Captains are not falling over themselves to join, what are they taking in terms of hours / experience?

- 5/4 roster we know

- UK salary?

- flight remuneration? Per sector? Per day worked?

Is anyone prepared to say.

Listen. Don’t worry about the pay, or that there is no LOL protection, exceptionaly poor company pension scheme, no food, no water, pay for your own car parking, uniform and the like. It’s all about a 5/4 roster. It’s bloody brilliant.

I heard a rumor that you can guarantee your mortgage nowadays by saying that you have a 5/4 roster.

Have I touched a nerve?

Not at all! Just wish I had a 5/4 roster. And that warm feeling it brings.

many better airlines hire. Why joining FR ? the market is excellent if you know another language such as german, spanish.

Unfortunately with RYR you probably won’t be there long!

Very happy to hear you got “your” UK base. I spent 6 years in total based at STN as an FO. When I got offered a command I was told “no UK bases for new commands - we’re saving those for the DEC’s.” Loyalty pays apparently but certainly not in RYR. I, like many other command-ready FO’s left as a result and never looked back. Their short-sightedness is incredible - if they weren’t so hell bent on stitching up their current employees and gave them the bases they wanted then they wouldn’t even need to recruit DEC’s!

Yeah, eurowings and it's excellent T&C are wairting for you.

Vueling is a lot better, and you fly A320, you get more opportunities with this rating especially in Europe/ ASia. ;)

Does the 2000 a month sounds good to you mate?

that's a start and all the rest is provided as you seem to skip...(insurance, uniform, water, medical, OPC......)
take the hours and move on, as I said, it's easier. anyway, off topic.

Anybody who has new info about sim test and tech interview for Ryanair screening in STN.

regards

Hello guys,

Just need an information, about the terms and conditions at FR, If i follow, here 3 questions :

TR is about 30000 euros ?

Basically to make it simple : how much money saved should we have after the TR until we get the first salary ?

What about the new terms and conditions today after all what had happened, any improvements, TY paid, bond ?....

Thank you very much

TR is 29500 EUR

line training is paid now as well as far as I know.

Typerating waiting time is around 2 months. Typerating 2 months... so expect the first salary after around 5 months at the earliest. A lot of expenses as well (living, travel, food)

I have seen some figures for new FO salaries which is a lot better then the previous contracts. Over 80 EUR per block hour after 500 hours as a FO. anyone who can confirm this? And also confirm pay during line training?

Thank you aerodestination,
so basically we need about 7000 euro for living, before the first income ?

I would say around 37.000 to 40.000 including typerating depending on your personal living style and depending on the commute.

but then again, this is only based on what I have heard from friends. No personal experience.