As Bondi says


So yes, at the “flick of a switch” any of Norwegian’s LGW based pilots may be returned to their employer, OSM, without notice, reason or recourse. Moreover, OSM may be indemnified from any obligation to find their employee(s) alternative work based on any action by their client airline, Norwegian. There may be no notice period, or payment in-lieu-of notice, whatsoever. Read the contract!


This applies to any OSM employee in any base (ask me how I know :hmm:) at least until the Norwegian fish squirming on the hook is finally forced to accept a proper CLA in Spanish bases.


Not interested in anything with a Red Nose these days, but I find the figures quoted by Avenger shockingly underwhelming for a wide body Capt position.

Even 737 Capts in EuroBases were netting €7000 a month without spending weeks away from home in 3rd rate hotels , with jet lag etc as the cherry on the top.

Hello folks
If Norwegian start flying from Ireland to the States, will they have pilot bases in these places ?

Sooo if my counting is correct 60 days have passed and the approval is final or am I missing something?

So what is the anual salary? Not monthly net figures! It's an easy question BA year one salary is £55,150 plus £10 per hour flight pay plus £3.25 duty pay. Everyone keeps defending Norwegians terms and conditions but Nobody will give a straight answer as to what they actually are and I don't understand why!

Enzo, why don't you just look at the PPJN site, the figures are updated and accurate. The Uk tax regime is dependant on earnings. Its easy to work out based on average 60 hours, 70 hours etc etc. Take the month salary and multiply by 12 ( twelve) to get an annual salary.. Its an "easy answer"
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Yep Dutch, is looking that way..

Release #: 17.01
Date: January 03, 2017

ALPA to DOT: Deny Norwegian UK Application Now

WASHINGTON—In a filing today with the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT), the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA) and other labor organizations did not oppose a Norwegian Air UK (NAUK) request for expedited processing of its application to fly to and from the United States, but the union continued to maintain that the DOT must reject the application because it fails to explain how the airline’s crews will be employed or how its business model will affect U.S. jobs.

Looks like NLH by committing to use US Pilots and Europeans has snuffed the candle on ALPA and all the " reasonable objections" have been removed. All this nonsense on labour practice etc etc is of no interest to the decision makers at DOT, these are " local issues" and a playground spat.

So, according to PPJN, Capt 787 at Gatwick is £103,000 gross including per diems and block hours at 60pm. Correct ?

Right so you are paid by the month, not annnually? So I am confused people seemed to be saying you were employed by OSM but surely you can't be an employee Without an anual salary, does that not make you a contractor? What happens if your sick or pregnant do they still pay you this monthly amount? How do they pay you a 5 percent pension if there is no reference salary to pay it against. Also everyone keeps saying based on 60 hours a month, if you work more than 60 do you get extra money? And if you work less do you still receive your full monthly pay.

God knows Enzo. PPJN is not very clear but then nothing about OSM is.

If they are full time permanent contracts with OSM then why is an annual gross salary so difficult to source. Surely it would be quoted by numerous individuals who would come on on here and say so.

It has been mentioned on here that OSM deduct UK Tax and National Insurance and if this is the case then individuals would appear to be employees of OSM but what these individuals do if Norwegian don't like the individual I just don't know. What if an OSM pilot joins BALPA? What would Norwegian do? Return the individual to OSM ? I am assuming that Norwegian are OSMs only airline "customer".

(Right so you are paid by the month, not annually), guess this must be true then for all the monthly salaries quoted on PPJN.. Emirates, Qatar, Supnexpress, etc etc..Normally pension contributions are levied at x% of the " basic" for all companies, if O/T is based on block hours, it's just that.. can't see what the confusion is.. regarding getting sick.. in 24 years I've never known a company that pays your salary ad infinitum until you get well...after a period of grace you rely on temporary loss of licence insurance.. So.. Salary is based on BASIC+PER DIEM+BLOCK HOURS.. if you fly no hours you still get a BASIC.. guess that means your not a " contractor".. I don't pay my painter if he doesn't paint my ceiling ..OSM have several clients as an " agency" they recruit for other airlines, not just Norwegian

And what is the BASIC?

Norwegian pilot jobs news for airline pilots and aviation schools god helps those that help themselves and time spent on diagnosis is rarely wasted!

Don’t worry too much about being an employee of OSM staffing agency, being rented out and having no labor rights or labor principles directly with the Norwegian airline. This is only a temporary solution – allegedly:

Norwegian CEO, Bjorn Kjos wrote to the DOT on June 1, 2015, testifying;

“Norwegian has regularly utilized the services of employment agencies for the recruitment of temporary provision of crews for a transitional period of 24-26 months in connection with the opening of new bases”

https://www.regulations.gov/document...2013-0204-0203

(open pdf file and scroll to letter)

Perhaps Norwegian’s pilots based in Spain and LGW, still employed by a staffing agency after "24-26 months", can tell us if the statement by Kjos is honest or dishonest?

And the point being ? As you point out after 36 months, if they don't like it they have had ample opportunity to make up their own minds and vote with their feet. We don't need to lecture them on life choices, its a rather arrogant stance to take, almost insulting to be honest.

Read the Kjos letter to the DOT.
I am interested to hear if you believe it to be misleading with respect to agency sourced crews and the expectation of eventual direct employment with a Norwegian airline.

Why would I want to do that?, I don't care if Kjos says he's Batman, with Trump in the hot seat we have more to worry about globally than corporate spin. Kos has cleverly bought time by recruiting pilots and crew in the US and that has spiked the guns over there, now, whether or not these are direct employees, agency staff, part timers of ad-hocs doesn't matter to the unemployed guys taking the jobs or those seeking a change of airline. Pilots fly planes not desks and contracts .

It is indeed going to be interesting to see what our unpromising hysteric will have to say about SAS taking out an AOC in Ireland and opening bases in London and Spain.

Flipflapflop
 

Those pilots in the U.K. Are employees of OSM, they pay PAYE tax & NI and have the same employment rights as any other person employed in the U.K.

The result of Norwegian not likening someone and wanting them off the contract ( as some on this forum like to suggest) would be interesting as without grounds for dismissal OSM would likely find themselfs in an industrial court with BALPA and the law on the employees side.

OSM recognised BALPA some time back so union membership is not a problem.

So their basic pay must be in pounds? The PPJN web site that I keep getting directed to quotes all monthly basics in euros but the flight pay and per diems in pounds is this correct. Surely you can't pay taxes to the UK inland revenue in euros? Also what is a per diem? It appears to be a fixed amount so why is it not just included as part of the basic?

Enzo, you don't appear to understand the concept of pay and per diems or that companies can publish pay in any currency but usually pay in local currency. Cathy publish pay in HKD but pay UK staff in GBP. Just convert the Euros to pounds using an exchange rate tool for an approximate salary as some companies fix the exchange rate in advance