No I don't understand it which is why I am asking for someone to explain it to me. maybe I am just stupid but this seems like the most complicated arrangement I have ever heard, paid half in euros half in pounds, taxes paid to the inland revenue in a forgiven currency, employed by one company and rented to another! I just fail to see how anything so confused and converluted can be to the benefit of the employee. Anyway if your not willing to explain then I won't loose too much sleep over it, providing you happy with what the deal is then crack on.

@Enzo999

I think people are getting you confused and mixing a lot really in this Thread with SH and LH.

Salaries in Pounds TRI 9.587 CAPT 7.844 RCA 6.101 FO 4.358

I do not have exact figures in Pounds for Per diems but around 1K extra independent of the position.

As far as I know there is no pay for Flight Hours. Basic + Per Diem PERIOD.

For the first 3 years is a Rishworth Contract After that is an OSM contract.

Apparently OSM contract is much better but have to wait the 3 years and do not know the figures of that one either.

A and C;

Those pilots in the UK are indeed employees of OSM, pay tax, NI, and have employment rights with OSM only, NOT with the Norwegian airline.

The Norwegian airline does not have to “dismiss” anyone, because they do not employ anyone. They simply return the rented pilot(s) or cabin crew(s) to their employer agency, OSM, without notice, reason or recourse.

Agency contracts for the provision of crews to a Norwegian airline contain the clause that “no employment relationship exists between the employee and the present lessee airline” or similar. Read the contract.

A UK Employment Tribunal will only hear disputes between an employer and an employee. Therefore, a LGW based 787 or 737 pilot having a dispute with a Norwegian airline has no legal recourse. BALPA represents pilots to their employer, OSM, not to a Norwegian airline.

I cannot fathom why Norwegian’s LGW based pilots continue to fill BALPA’s coffers with union dues for representation to a staffing agency, when the legal prerequisites exist for representation directly to the Norwegian airline. This is the option Norwegian's US and Spanish crews are pursuing via International Labor Organization guidance:

http://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/pub...cms_209280.pdf

But yes, I agree, there are far worse options. My dispute is with those who would misrepresent the OSM employment and the Norwegian airline “unemployment” circumstances.

Why would you even bother with this thread as a BA pilot? BA is a legacy carrier, nothing NLH could offer could come remotely close to a BA career..

Thanks for that, nice to get some exact figures! So let me get this right as a new employee with Norwegian I cant work for OSM anyway? I will have to start on a Rishworth contract for 3 years before being allowed to join OSM? Now without opening another can of worms what is the employment status with Rishworth? Contractor I would guess reponsible for paying your own taxes and why would you want to convert to an OSM contract after the 3 years (better rates of pay?)

CEO Espen Høiby: ?We offer pilots and cabin crew long-term and secure jobs? | IceNews - Daily News

http://www.enewswire.co.uk/2016/06/2...s-association/

Bondi
 

If as you put it Norwegian "returned" a crew member to OSM then the crew members dispute would be for OSM to resolve as they are the employer and will have to ( in this case ) abide by UK law.

They could not expect to go to court and say we fired the crew member because a customer company did not like them, they would have to have grounds to fire the crew member or the courts would award compensation to the employee.

In terms of employment protection it matters not who foots the compensation bill but that a crew member has the leagal protection afforded by UK law.

Can't speak for UK law & the "likely" protection offered (which regrettably has been known to fall short of ones expectations) but, we will see on 29th March how Spanish law views it. . . . . . . . .

This is a very interesting article:

http://www.icenews.is/2017/01/16/ceo...#axzz4XSxrmcRH

“The agreement will contribute to the best possible collaboration between unions and the company [OSM] including not only adherence to International Labour Organization (ILO) core conventions on freedom of association, organising and collective bargaining, but also the guarantee of regular meetings between unions and management and the inclusion of grievance and arbitration procedures”

Unfortunately, the reality only confirms the gross hypocrisy of the Norwegian regime:

http://cabinassociation.org/wp-conte...est-Letter.pdf

“OSM wrote to the NCCA on December 15,2016 stating that they were cancelling the January 18th meeting due to a scheduling conflict affecting two (2) members of the NCCA bargaining team and would evaluate if the March 1st was still feasible.
The NCCA wrote several emails to OSM asking for the conflicting assignments be pulled so the NCCA can attend the previously agreed to bargaining session on January 18th with a final attempt being made on December 28, 2016. OSM denied all requests for the assignments of the NCCA bargaining team to be pulled”

So much for Norwegian's idea of labor relations.

The agreement/implementation of a CLA between SEPLA & OSM/NAR is dragging its heels interminably . . . . mainly due to an attempt best described as "Union Busting" to pick over/ disagree/question every word in the proposed document by the NAR "Sharks". . . they really don't want to do it, and are dragging it out as long as possible whilst trying to avoid any scope clauses that may prevent them closing NAR ES & opening NAR ES #2 the next day with no CLA in place to question the "revised conditions". . . bunch of :mad:

Norwegian B787 LGW...
 

Greetings guys,,

I wanted to ask about info with regards to commuting with Norwegian on the B787 out of LGW? Is it possible to do this to and from the Eastern Mediterranean for example? Is there commuting rosters or set patterns that allow this?

Im currently a skipper on the B777 for the last 6 years and looking to move back to Europe.

Any help or advise would most welcome.

Hello Jetkopite,

Where do you live? It is possible you travel for free on the NAS network to and from work. Not all duty starts at LGW can also be one of the three big Skandinavien cities, Charles de Gaulle or Barcelona. You have a minimum of 10 days off a month and you can request the off pattern for ex 5+5 or 6+4. The 10 days is a minimum but can also be more not less. Almost everybody commutes so it is possible.

Hope it helps!

Hi Mike thanks for your reply..

I am hoping to base myself out of Larnaca, Cyprus. When you say you can request blocks of 5/5, 6/4 how easy is this to achieve?? Also to achieve this can one expect to work 7 days on in a row with back to back trips??

Also would love to know how the pilots see the airline in terms of atmosphere and being respected by management.

Thanks once again :-))

Are Norwegian finding it difficult to find crews for the 787 considering how poor the contract on offer is and the uncertainty of the operation. A 3 year contract speaks for itself.

Yoland
 

Please elaborate on uncertainty of the operation or stop trying to be a smarty pants

Or point him at the other identical thread currently live.

How realistic is it commuting with Norwegian to work? and where are people commuting from? Does the LGW contract too have only pass rights on the long haul routes only?

Does that mean a typical roster is 5 on 5 off or 6 on 4 off? can anyone post a typical 787 roster?

I think it means you can chose to have 2 blocks of 5 days off or one block of 6 day off plus another of 4 days off.

INKJET
I happily stand corrected but a 3 year renewable CONTRACT on offer isn't exactly enticing. Just my view but i guess nothing is certain in this world except one thing.

4 things no ? death, taxes, nurses, and an ex. . . . . . . ;)