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Meester proach 10th Feb 2017 22:38

Just to be clear on this, as it keeps coming up.

It's a three year contract with rishworth, after which it's an open ended contract with OSM.
You have to swap. That's the deal .

Jetkopite 11th Feb 2017 13:01

Whats the difference between the 2 agencies?? They offer the same deal??

Meester proach 11th Feb 2017 13:33

No they don't. Pay is better after the switch.

There's whole threads on this

FlipFlapFlop 14th Feb 2017 22:09

Sort of been waiting for clarification/conformation of new starter FO on this thread.

I think we are saying....

Years 1-3 with Rishworth on contract to Norwegian ? Figures in NOK on PPJN apply.

Year 3 onwards with OSM. Better figures (again on PPJN in Euro and NOK) but still no direct contract with Norwegian.

So never any direct relationship with your actual employer.

The question I have, and I still believe it perfectly reasonable to ask and yet I cannot see it has ever been answered, is if Norwegian take a dislike to you (wear your hat incorrectly, upset a management type, are late to report a couple of times) and they "return" you to Rishworth/OSM, what happens and what recourse do you have under UK employment law?
As far as I can see you are then left in "dispute" with an agency with absolutely no chance of satisfactory resolution. My understanding of agency contracts is that the ultimate employer can return individuals to the agency for any reason they choose and do not have to justify why they no longer want an individual on their flight decks.

And do Rishworth pay UK taxes and National Insurance on behalf of the agency pilots they place with Norwegian or are they self employed?

Dreamflight1 15th Feb 2017 09:27

Anyone waiting +1,5 months for results of the online assessment?

ExDubai 15th Feb 2017 10:22

Sooner or later a judge will give you the answer. And that's the problem...

planedrive 15th Feb 2017 10:25

@dreamflight1;

Completed the tests mid December haven't heard anything since. Anyone else in a similar situation? Thought Norwegian were desperate for pilots?

Lancelot de boyles 15th Feb 2017 10:53

OSM take the stance that you are an employee solely with them.
For example, if you wanted, as I did, to take advantage of the 737 'winter downsizing', and take a short contract with an overseas company, OSM robustly stated that I work for them, and only them. To work on any contract elsewhere would require my resignation, first. However, to take advantage of the 'winter downsizing' would entail taking unpaid leave.
This is a different stance to that taken by ARPI.

So. If one is an employee of OSM, and Norwegian choose to no longer use your services, surely OSM are obliged to continue the permanent and full time employment, with permanent and full time basic salary.

captplaystation 15th Feb 2017 11:21

I think you will find that if Norwegian no longer "require your services" an excuse along the lines of "by your actions you have threatened the relationship between OSM & their client & risked bringing OSM into disrepute" as opposed to "hard luck old boy, fancy a contract with Transavia in MUC ? " . . .anyhow, they have very little to offer on the 737, and, even less on the 787 so, you will in all likelihood be simultaneously dismissed from OSM if NAS don't want you. . . . . .

Jetkopite 15th Feb 2017 11:44

Are you guys rated 78/777 and waiting that long to hear back??? Also left or right seat?

Meester proach 15th Feb 2017 12:26

There's about 30 new pilots starting every month.

Therefore I guess the recruitment team is flat out. They'll get to you no doubt

Jetkopite 15th Feb 2017 12:50

Anyone know if the online tests have a validity in which they must be completed?

ExDubai 15th Feb 2017 21:39


Originally Posted by Lancelot de boyles (Post 9676752)
OSM take the stance that you are an employee solely with them.
For example, if you wanted, as I did, to take advantage of the 737 'winter downsizing', and take a short contract with an overseas company, OSM robustly stated that I work for them, and only them. To work on any contract elsewhere would require my resignation, first. However, to take advantage of the 'winter downsizing' would entail taking unpaid leave.
This is a different stance to that taken by ARPI.

So. If one is an employee of OSM, and Norwegian choose to no longer use your services, surely OSM are obliged to continue the permanent and full time employment, with permanent and full time basic salary.

I wouldn't bet on that ;)

planedrive 16th Feb 2017 22:14

RHS non type rated 3500TT - 2 months now since I took the tests.

Direct Bondi 18th Feb 2017 15:06

Recruitment ads are appearing for flight crews to join the “Norwegian family” via employment with service provider OSM. In an interview on January 16, OSM CEO, Espen Hoiby, assures “the best possible collaboration between unions and the company”:

http://www.icenews.is/2017/01/16/ceo...#axzz4XSxrmcRH

However, in meetings on February 14 and 15 between crew member’s union representatives and management, the gross hypocrisy of Norwegian’s “family values” was made apparent:

http://cabinassociation.org/current-events/

“The most disappointing moment at the meeting, though, is when Management said that they would not allow the NCCA to start collecting Union Dues. Many words were exchanged and it’s apparent that Management is still upset at our Union victories last year when we won every legal battle against the Management and finally emerged victorious with our union being voted in.
The inability of our Union to collect dues is very serious as it will affect our ability to successfully negotiate a contract and Management knows this. Without dues money, our Union cannot afford the legal advisers, economic advisers, and other professional services that result in you, our members, receiving the best contract we can negotiate”

What has this got to do with this thread? I hear chumps shout. Well, on joining you will become a Norwegian family member and wear the same '100% Norwegian' badge as your US (and Spanish) relatives – or perhaps you don’t care about your family.

KindolFaret 20th Feb 2017 12:41

+6000hrs jet, applied for RCAPT position. Finished online asessments in September. Got email in November saying application still active. No news since then. Anyone in similar situation? How long it takes to be invited for Interview?
Cheers

INKJET 20th Feb 2017 19:05

Captainplaystation

Well good luck with the Spanish courts !!! I doubt Norwegian will settle at the court doors, Spanish law is a minefield, it could go either way depending on whether your case is heard pre or post siesta time, we are talking 3rd world judiciary here, but it could be worse if you were in Roma the outcome would be known already, but not to you....

pilot hans 20th Feb 2017 19:05

i did the online test and was given assessment dates just a couple of days later, this was in January. assessment will be in March. Relief capt. Not sure I'll go there because they are not really answering questions about T and C...

Mr Angry from Purley 12th Mar 2017 21:41


Standbys are scattered throughout your roster and you have to be in base for those even as a commuter. 7 days STBY, which is not unusual is all paid for by you! hotel, transport, food the lot.
Shiver me timbers quell surprise Pilots always seem to forget about the S word when they take jobs. And OMG you have to pay for it also - The answer is don't commute

samca 21st Mar 2017 22:56

Hi,

Just today I complete the online tests. Coming from a LoCo company in Europe B737 4500+ hours ATPL . I applied for FO.

Can you tell me how many time usually it will take to have an answer?

Another question, I'm looking for Barcelona, it is possible to have the base which you gonna go before the interview?

Last one, can anyone share a Roster just to see flying hours, Duty hours and stby days?

The training cost bond is from my bank or a you just sign a document?,

Cheers


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