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Originally Posted by directmisbi
(Post 9605692)
Regarding pay on Norwegian LH. Lets say you started out as an FO 3 years ago on LH. You just upgraded to captain on the osm contract year 1. Monthly pay :
Basic 8125 £ Per diems 913 £ Lets assume 89 hrs for the month and 4 unused standby duties : 4091 £ Total : 13129 £ plus pension comes in at 5 percent. Assume a 4th year FO who failed his upgrade and on a OSM contract : Monthly pay 7852 £ plus 5 percent pension.. On initiating contract you provide a bank guarantee(ie no money up front) and are free to walk after 3 years Im no Kjos apologetics, but is this really such a bad pay that the airline should be denied a permit? |
There are other LCC within the EU who have much much worse pay conditions and some make there pilots pay for their own uniform- so why not take a shot in that direction also????? |
Lets assume 89 hrs for the month and 4 unused standby duties : 4091 £
Total : 13129 £ plus pension comes in at 5 percent. So a year 1 Captain (UK based) grosses over £13k a month? How do you get to £4091 for flying pay? Genuinely interested. Cheers |
I am thinking that per diem is the figure for the month as opposed to day. That £913 would be your flight pay for the month.
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I got the contract from Rishworth and there is no flightpay at all.
Just basic plus per diem. Basic minus 35% tax, that is what you get. Very curious how you get to £4000 flightpay? Cheers |
He talks about the OSM Contract which you will get after 3 years. So year 1 OSM will be year 4 in total
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Does the contract change and improve after 3 years then?
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Yes your contract will change , you will get a permanent contract with OSM after three years with improved conditions.
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So on promotion to Captain, in their fourth year of "service", a UK based line skipper on an OSM contract based at LGW can gross £13k in an average month? Is that right? Thanks
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That is correct.
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That's a lot more than I thought. Many thanks for the information:ok:
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How are the rosters at NLH at the moment?
And if one joined as a "relief capt", how long is the current time to become a proper captain? And what is the selection criteria? Seniority? Thanks |
I am working as captain on the 787, and a little curious of this Norwegian adventure for my last couple of years. Currently I am on a final salary pension scheme and wonder what Norwegian could offer.? Obviously anything less than 28% in a purchase scheme would be very bad and a joke.
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BA ( et al) final salary pesioned pilots were the scurge of the industry for years. Thankfully, retirement ages have increased and therefore the market saturation of type rated experienced guys willing to take a pittance for their endeavours has shrunk.
Contract jobs are a plenty now, and rates have increased. Why would Norwegian employ a pilot on full pension knowing that they will run for cover if things are not to their liking ? The contracts are 3 years btw . |
Direct Bondi
Thank you for your reply,
I don't think I have ever before had such an evasive answer on these forums. It begs the question why ? |
-So what are the terms and conditions for the OSM contract for FO, Relief Captain and Captain?
Any annual salary increase included? -Rishworth is announcing AMS and CDG as bases starting next year. Any info regarding taxes? UK tax since it's a UK contract? Or tax in Netherlands or France? |
I'm also confused by the two different contracts on offer.
Are you guaranteed to be moved to the (better?) OSM contract after spending 3 years on a Rishworth one? |
Yes, you may be moved to a different contract:
“Pilots are threatened with losing their jobs if they did not move to OSM” http://www.dn.no/nyheter/naringsliv/...uttert-til-osm “In order to force pilots into signing the new contracts, the company introduced aggressive tactics by establishing a deadline at short notice” “Pilots received written threats of contract termination if they chose not to comply with the imposed deadline” http://www.sepla.es/en/sala-de-prens...ian-en-espana/ |
Why is there a reluctance to accept the OSM contract, if it's supposed to have better conditions than the initial 3 year contract? What's the catch?
I know that the OSM contract looks suspicious, since you're not directly employed by Norwegian, but so is the temporary 3 year contract. So what are the terms and conditions for the OSM contract? |
There is no "catch" on LH, and no shortage of quality applicants either. On SH there are still several issues to be resolved with OSM, not so much about the pay but more to the administration side of things, but that is another matter.
The links provided by direct bondi refers to SH and are outdated. As to why he keeps putting up smoke and mirrors for his colleagues is beyond me. This forum is about helping/informing each other and possibly sharing some gossip.. |
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