The contract is disgraceful. Then again, P2F exists so.........

According to Rishworth site the new package is a 5% pay increase and the availability of new bases. Is there anytinhg else?

So what are exactly this improve conditions? A part of pay for a new type rating...

I heard that improve conditions seems to be 300 Euros moré per month...😲

Two questions for somebody who might know.

What is the job prescription of a relief Captain in Norwegian? What do you do?

And how do you log these hours in your logbook?

Above 20000ft you may be the Captain, should the PIC has taken his rest on long haul flight.
So usualy you keep the right seat, in the event of depressurization, you will act as Commander.
At the sim you should received the appropriate training.

Incorrect WTON, I understand the captain on the norwegian flights is still in command, regardless of being in the crew rest or not. He is not off his duty and is the PIC the whole time, unlike airlines to the likes of Emirates. He just deligates the controls of the aircraft. So no logging of PIC time for the RCA! Would also be fraud if the RCA would log it as such as more people log PIC at the same time otherwise.
And the RCA position with Norwegian is more like that of a senior First Officer who can sit in the left seat. Just the name of the position includes the word captain. The actual role is not!

Waste of time
 

Guys consider them if u desperate but I found both NW and RW to be bunch of time wasters unprofessional and well u can find out yourself just go to one of their roadshows...

It is the same in Emirates, and as far as I know in every company in the world. Each flight has ONE designated commander, wether he is in the cockpit, taking a piss or in the bunk...

The US DOT has linked the Norwegian UK permit application to the “Ireland based” NAI application. The permits affect the long haul ambition of Kjos. Most recently the EU has appointed Giorgio Sacerdoti as its arbitrator in the ongoing NAI matter:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/irelan...ck-431867.html

“Under arbitration, the EU and US will each name an arbitrator, while a third arbitrator will be appointed by mutual consent”

A new DOT Secretary has yet to be appointed:

http://ttnews.com/articles/basetempl...-DOT-Secretary

Those supporting NAI appear worried the new administration of President elect Trump may decide to review the NAI application. Ireland South MEP, Deirdre Clune, has written to DOT Secretary Foxx asking that he “swiftly conclude this matter within the time frame of the current US political administration”:

http://www.irishcentral.com/business...-by-arbitrator

It may not have been prudent for EU Transport Commissioner, Violeta Bulc, to notify the DOT that not granting NAI a US permit could affect trade agreements. Given the rhetoric of President elect Trump, Bulc’s communication is likely to hinder rather than assist the NAI and NA UK applications.

The Irish Times published a letter from the Irish Airline Pilots’ Association President, Captain Evan Cullen, regarding Norwegian’s Irish venture, in which he states, “The objection is purely on the undermining of EU-US labor standards that the Norwegian proposal represents”:

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/le...plan-1.2749410

In an interview with Kjos, Norway’s VG newspaper reported that; ”Norwegian boss is crystal clear that he is not at all interested in negotiating the pilots demands for connection to the parent NAS - This will eliminate our ability to finance the 240 planes. With such a model we would not have gotten the funding of the banks to operate”:

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/k...lt/a/23408996/

Article 17 of the EU-US Air Transport Agreement (Open Skies) does not permit an undermining of labor standards, labor rights and labor principles by the participating parties. This may include using novel and complex labor models to circumvent direct employment relationships. Particularly if doing so would provide an unfair competitive advantage over those participating parties fully complying with the Agreement.

This is a staggering admission.

One wonders what exactly it was that Kjos told the banks about the relationship between his employees and their airline?

:=

Norwegian slips and ugly treatment
 

Last Friday, 25th, a Norwegian 737 slipped off the hard surface at Umea, Sweden:

“The landing went well, but the aircraft came off the runway”:

http://www.vk.se/1869794/flygplan-gled-av-landningsbanan

I hope the crew is directly employed with trade union representation. In the past, agency crew without trade union representation were summarily terminated after an occurrence, but before any official investigation to determine cause (ref JFK).

In an unrelated incident:

“I was so angry I was shaking when I saw the ugly treatment dogs got”

http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/hundeeier---jeg-ble-sa-sint-at-jeg-skalv-da-jeg-sa-den-stygge-behandlingen-hundene-fikk/65365847

I doubt the dogs’ owner will be voting Norwegian ‘best in show’ after their rough treatment.

I think that begs the question...


'Why is that Baggage Handler required to lift heavy objects above his head?'


Must be a Health and Safety violation by Management.
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Got to take my hat off to you Bondi very few dogs will hang on to a bone for this long.

I have to agree with you A and C.

I have met the odd character in my long aviation career who wanted to conduct a life-long grudge about something or other but Direct Bondi definitely deserves some sort of special accolade.

Regardless of how badly I think I might have imagined I had been treated by persons or persons unknown, I would have given up a long time ago.

As a retired outsider he appears to me to be getting nowhere, for the airline seems to be getting bigger and bigger as the years go by regardless of his input.

Perhaps I could recommend him for the PYNWBG award?

(Picking Your Nose With Boxing Gloves)

JW411,

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Regardless of how badly I think I might have imagined I had been treated by persons or persons unknown,

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Do try and make some sense man.

Apparently, you support Kjos and his labor model race to the bottom. Perhaps you could also recommend him for an award. I suggest the accolade;

Complete, unequivocal, Norwegian talent.

Although Bondi's campaign seems slightly crazed and is certainly tedious, perhaps he feels he is exacting some sort of retribution against an organisation which he clearly feels has screwed him. I can sympathise to a point but would suggest that, as he clearly failed to address his grievances while in Norwegian, he might be better served by putting it down to experience and moving on. Then again, perhaps he feels he really is making a difference with his contributions. If his aim is to tarnish the company and discourage others from joining, he might be more effective if he added some balance and came across a bit less 'rain man'.

“campaign” – not at all.
Objections and responses to ongoing reports relating to Norwegian’s abhorrent labor model. You may not be aware that others also object, including the six million members of the AFL-CIO federation of unions and; ALPA, IALPA, ECA, European Transport Workers Union ETF, Southwest Airlines Pilots Association SWAPA, Association of Flight Attendants AFA, the list goes on.

“crazed” – hardly.
Perhaps if posts were written unintelligibly and without supporting evidence in the form of factual reports, mostly with direct links to the source.

“tedious” – then read something else.

Conversely, I doubt you apply your criteria to those perpetually supporting the Kjos regime.

Norwegian is highly proficient at tarnishing themselves and discouraging applications without any assistance from me.

Balancing the scales of labor rights and labor principles, you will find at Norwegian it is firmly tipped against the crew member (read my posts).

The new DOT Secretary, Elaine Chao, is a former Secretary of Labor and former Deputy Administrator of the Maritime Administration. She will be familiar with 'flags of convenience' and may be sympathetic to union concerns regarding Norwegian's labor model:

http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/29/13777014/elaine-chao-transportation-secretary-trump-administration

After almost three years, Norwegian still does not have its US Permits. News from Washington would suggest it may be raining on Norwegian's application for some time:

http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/president-trump-and-us-aviation-a-likely-reversion-to-protectionism-312463

Direct Bondi is an admirable poster who can back up what he says. He's as negative about Norwegian as some here are positive.

I wouldn't fault someone who continues to be a thorn as such in Norwegian's side for as long as Norwegian keep their current tack regarding contracts, pay levels, etc.

All's fair in love and war, as one manager once said to me during a dispute.

Elaine Chao has never been sympathetic to the cause of labor. There is absolutely no reason to think she will start now.