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The African Dude 1st Jul 2012 08:57

Wellington, there is a difference between discrimination and selection! Discrimination would be selection on the basis of something people cannot choose.

I wouldn't ring your lawyer just yet :8

fmgc 1st Jul 2012 09:52


How can they ask for 20 tonnes plus experience and then recruit direct from CTC, I think there is a case for discrimination me thinks
How so?

Racism? Ageism? Sexism?

SmilingKnifed 1st Jul 2012 23:39

Competence?

stewiegriffin 2nd Jul 2012 11:38

anyone actually heard anything yet? be it good or bad news....

Wellington Bomber 2nd Jul 2012 11:49

Tell me what is different in flying 20, 30 , 10 tonne plane please

All could have the same avionics, fair enough some taxi ways are smaller than others, all go 250 kts below 10000ft, the radio calls are the same so apart from some go higher and get an inflight meal, all work in busy mixed airspace with helicopters, what is the difference apart from mine is bigger than yours childishness.

Please tell me, i am all ears

HPbleed 2nd Jul 2012 11:54

They just want a broad spectrum of experience. It's no different to a building company taking on apprentices and guys with 25 years experience to keep the levels correct.

So they take cadets and people with jet commercial experience, I don't see the problem.

Wellington Bomber 2nd Jul 2012 12:03

But they take turboprops over 20 tonnes i,e Dash 8-300 &400, SAAB 2000 & ATP for frigs sake

SO that argument about jet goes out the window

Speed goes out of the window as well because the J41 and D328 go faster than the Dash 300 and ATP and you can argue that certain types can go 250knts to about 9 mile final where as jets cant.

Next argument

horsebox 2nd Jul 2012 12:51

Wellington, I think its just a "line in the sand", arbitary, made up number as a way of sifting applications or cv's.

Jetstream has the word Jet in the aircraft name, therefore perfectly reasonable to count it as Jet time??!

1000ft Cruiser 2nd Jul 2012 17:27

Have a friend who's just got the job. Starts in October, guy in his 20s with about 2500 turboprop hours, all RHS.

Flying Wild 2nd Jul 2012 18:10

Have heard today that the FO vacancy will not be loaded back up onto the recruitment system due to the overwhelming interest in the initial stage. An official message should appear soon.
They are looking to find 120 FOs in this current cycle. If they can't find enough, then they'll open it back up again.

bucket_and_spade 2nd Jul 2012 18:55

Wow. 120 is massive. Can anyone put this expansion in to context i.e. current versus anticipated airframes?

mudcity 2nd Jul 2012 19:28

monarch recruitment
 
Plan is for several new and some older a320+a321 to join the fleet for Summer 13.
speaking to the recruitment team at HQ the interest has been huge and the first type rated course has been filled, will be one course a month commencing sept, with the intention that the recruits will be a mixture of type rated / non type rated -with previous airline / military background and some CTC cadets
( including first MPL cadets )
the online process will stay closed until the initial batch of applications has been processed.
Interview is with two management pilots.....
hope that helps someone

Boing7117 2nd Jul 2012 19:43

120 FO positions is a staggering number.

A very encouraging sign of an upturn in the industry hopefully.

Where does this number of 120 come from? An official source or educated speculation?

mudcity 2nd Jul 2012 20:01

number quoted to me today was 95…still a significant number

1000ft Cruiser 2nd Jul 2012 21:50

My friend got MAN. No idea what he requested.

Flying Wild 2nd Jul 2012 22:14


Originally Posted by Boing7117 (Post 7273803)
120 FO positions is a staggering number.

A very encouraging sign of an upturn in the industry hopefully.

Where does this number of 120 come from? An official source or educated speculation?

Official source.

walterthesofty 3rd Jul 2012 07:09

Quite amazing figures given the airlines current financial predicament.

Jaydubya 3rd Jul 2012 07:29

I have a UK CAA ATPL and a JAA ATPL but what is a EASA ATPL that Monarch are asking for?
I,ve been away awhile.

Blighty Pilot 3rd Jul 2012 07:44

EASA is the new licensing Authority for Europe (Previously JAA). Your EASA license will be issued in due course.

I'm not sure that being away for a while, unless at her Majesties pleasure, is an excuse not to be up to speed with relevant licensing information. If you have been at her Majesties pleasure then don't even waste your time in applying!

BlackandBrown 3rd Jul 2012 07:48

Careful Walter, monarchs grateful old pilots are looking to polarise the views on here.

Jaydubya 3rd Jul 2012 07:57

Blighty,
Thanks for reply, no I have not been away at Her Maj's pleasure, just working outside aviation since my last airline when bust!:{

RHINO 3rd Jul 2012 08:17

it would appear that the largest group of applicants are EASY pilots:ok:

walterthesofty 3rd Jul 2012 08:17

Lets just pray those in command know exactly what their doing ,However as someone who witnessed just how close to disaster the previous regime was allowed to sail the ship i am yet to be convinced the current encumbents are a whole lot better , Time will tell. Best of luck to all

RHINO 3rd Jul 2012 08:30

Walter, you old softy.....thank you

World

go around flaps15 3rd Jul 2012 19:17

No PFOs gone out yet at all?

BlackandBrown 3rd Jul 2012 19:41

I know quite a few easy flexi FOs have been offered a job with Monarch to start in September/ October.

Landflap 4th Jul 2012 09:23

Walter, what financial predicament? Excuse the naivity, admittedly short of specific knowledge here. But, closing off a 40 year career soon, I did observe the demise of British Eagle, Caledonian, BUA, Invicta, Channel, Lloyd, Transglobe,Laker, Air Europe, Dan.............blimey, was even there in some cases but Monarch out survived all of them. Biggest career bad decision was to have turned them down .........way back.........for the B720 ! Gees, just could not take Luton Airport. Opted for classy Airwick Gatport & it has all been downhill for three decades. Monarch, whenever coming close to running out of money, seemed to get it from some Swiss Gnome, overnight ! What's goin on !!

My advice, get into Monarch & stay with it. One of Aviation's greats. Good luck chaps.

greywind 4th Jul 2012 10:25

I shall ask then as I can't guess it out


No PFOs gone out yet at all?
PFOs????

1000ft Cruiser 4th Jul 2012 10:32

It stands for "Polite Go Aways"

walterthesofty 4th Jul 2012 11:04

What financial predicament??... if it was not for the fact the owners pumped millions in some months ago the airline would have gone under.

I believe that they stated this was the final bail out, if losses are not stemmed within the next year or so then its all over.

Lets just hope the new team can put right the horrendous mess PB and his cronies got the company into

First.officer 4th Jul 2012 11:58

Just wondering......of the guys and gals thus far that have been interviewed and offered positions, does anyone know what their relevant backgrounds are from an experience point of view ?? i.e. were they Airbus rated, 2000hrs + guys and gals, or have some lower experienced bods got through the doors ?

greywind 4th Jul 2012 19:01

As far as I know some people sent in CVs before the online application started being used and they are the only people I know who've been offered interviews or jobs. Those who emailed CVs after the online system went live were pointed towards that and I don't know of anyone who filled in the online application who has even been contacted yet.

First.officer 4th Jul 2012 22:18

Ah, okay.....submitted a paper application back in March, and was told by 'e' mail on the day of opening to re-submit my application via the portal if still interested......to be fair, i only have light biz-jet experience so guessing i might not be at the top of the list lol ! ;)

Rocket Ron 5th Jul 2012 13:48

It's a pity EZY are losing some excellent F/Os to Monarch, all because we can't be bothered to offer them proper contracts.

Shame on us. :(

HPbleed 5th Jul 2012 21:19

Can't be bothered? I know that's tongue in cheek but you know the real reason - Management Bonuses for keeping costs down. Sadly it's not going to get any better in Orange Land.

Burpbot 6th Jul 2012 00:24

Well let's hope what goes around comes around!!!

Good karma to mon ;)

tissue 6th Jul 2012 09:07

Hi, I'd be really grateful if anyone could shed some detailed light on what the interview process is like? What sort of questions etc. are asked?

Thanks

BlackandBrown 6th Jul 2012 17:47

Monarch | It's Time To Get Your Suitcase Out

Artie Fufkin 6th Jul 2012 17:57

He has a point. If they're planning a return to profit with that...

New T2 Office 6th Jul 2012 19:03

Brown and Black, i thought you said you weren't returning to this thread in one of your earlier posts!!! :*

Dont worry about the ad, I am reliably informed this is termed a 'teaser' out there in Media world (nope I dont really understand it either!!), the full ad appears on TV next week

Now back to the 'recruitment' topic I think.......................


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