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It says there are short haul opportunities for those with <1500hrs (non A320) at both Heathrow and Gatwick. When you go to apply though, the only short haul option appears to be for Euroflier at Gatwick. Are they hiring <1500hrs for short haul at Heathrow? I've got ~1000hrs CS-25, non A320
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From: Dublin
Pretty much correct. You don’t actually need the ATPL as long as you have the hours for it, as you can then do the skills test during the type rating.
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Hi, I am going to purchase SkyTest for capacity test. Which modules will be on the actual test? I couldn't book for the test so I do not have any official information ( I assume, once I booked I will get official information about test). Could anyone briefly explain test modules, please?
Joined: Oct 2005
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it seems that EU Flyer attrition running at a very high level as is Long Haul to 320.
Both FTM and his Deputy are LTS,long term sick.
320 Trainers have been invited to observe how 777 fleet conducts sim details.
A very sad state of affairs and some very angry people who do not become bad operators overnight.
Both FTM and his Deputy are LTS,long term sick.
320 Trainers have been invited to observe how 777 fleet conducts sim details.
A very sad state of affairs and some very angry people who do not become bad operators overnight.
Joined: Jun 2018
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From: London
it seems that EU Flyer attrition running at a very high level as is Long Haul to 320.
Both FTM and his Deputy are LTS,long term sick.
320 Trainers have been invited to observe how 777 fleet conducts sim details.
A very sad state of affairs and some very angry people who do not become bad operators overnight.
Both FTM and his Deputy are LTS,long term sick.
320 Trainers have been invited to observe how 777 fleet conducts sim details.
A very sad state of affairs and some very angry people who do not become bad operators overnight.
Now the idea of mass resignations due to CRM issues, I will take it with a pinch of salt.
I’m aware of a few things that shouldn’t be happening, but that’s a byproduct of a recruitment profile that doesn’t suit our time and age. I believe that there are attempts to change that.
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I don't know about other fleets but on the 320 there are a few trainers that have a bad rep. Personally having flown with a couple of the "names" I've never had a problem with them, but they are probably names for a reason.
There's also the issue of the "games" that are played on the command course - there's what OM D says ("a notice level FO lacking in initiative") and what some trainers allegedly interpret that to mean. ASRs have been put in and reports sent to the CAA (via CHIRP) but i think most are just so relieved to be through the course they put it behind them & move on. This info is anecdotal, I've not seen it first hand.
I've not heard of big numbers of resignations, or trainers being managed though.
There's also the issue of the "games" that are played on the command course - there's what OM D says ("a notice level FO lacking in initiative") and what some trainers allegedly interpret that to mean. ASRs have been put in and reports sent to the CAA (via CHIRP) but i think most are just so relieved to be through the course they put it behind them & move on. This info is anecdotal, I've not seen it first hand.
I've not heard of big numbers of resignations, or trainers being managed though.
Last edited by thetimesreader84; 4th December 2023 at 17:25.
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I thought those days were long gone.
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Aviation Qualifications: ATPL
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There will always be a few bad eggs on every fleet, but that isn’t just limited to trainers.
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This doesn’t remotely describe my interactions with the training department over the last 15 years. If anything I think the training has got much better, with less emphasis on checking and more on training.
There will always be a few bad eggs on every fleet, but that isn’t just limited to trainers.
There will always be a few bad eggs on every fleet, but that isn’t just limited to trainers.
This is broadly my experience, even having been in the sim or on the line with those who have a rep as a "bad egg".
the only note of caution is some of the stories ive heard from those who've done a SH command course recently, some of the games the trainers play while being a "notice level FO lacking initiative" sound horrendous, and have very little to do with training IMHO.
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From: London
Well, after experiencing a real “ arrival “ at LHR yesterday morning, 777 ex BGI, some sharper training seems necessary !
Why don't some of these “ names etc. “ get the fact that trainers are there to get their candidates to the highest possible level. That is what they are paid to do , not intimidate and try an humiliate people. Totally counterproductive for them and the company.
As an ex RAF standards QFI and training captain I just don’t understand their attitude. I considered that the results and standards of my candidates was a reflection on my training capability and commitment..I wanted my guys, and girls, to a achieve the very best they were capable of.
Bad eggs should have NO place in a well run training establishment.
Why don't some of these “ names etc. “ get the fact that trainers are there to get their candidates to the highest possible level. That is what they are paid to do , not intimidate and try an humiliate people. Totally counterproductive for them and the company.
As an ex RAF standards QFI and training captain I just don’t understand their attitude. I considered that the results and standards of my candidates was a reflection on my training capability and commitment..I wanted my guys, and girls, to a achieve the very best they were capable of.
Bad eggs should have NO place in a well run training establishment.
Last edited by RetiredBA/BY; 5th December 2023 at 18:48.