British Airways Direct Entry Pilot

[Chris the Robot]

Originally Posted by wright_flyer

WOW! All i can say is this post highlights the "progressive" nature of UK tax system.

I'm paypoint 23 (of 24) shorthaul Captain (full time) and my take home after tax over the last 12 months has been minimum 7700 and max 8800.

That a paypoint 1 first officer can make close to 7000 after tax shows how truly shafted by the UK tax system us "high" earners are!

If it wasn't for the high cost of living in the SE I suppose you'd be able to put anything above £100k into a pension. We're once again becoming a society where it's very difficult to become rich even through a top 2% salary, instead wealth is inherited or generated through returns on invested capital as was the case before WWII.

[R T Jones]

Say it quietly, £100k a year in the south east, especially as a household income, doesn’t go very far.

[FACoff]

Originally Posted by R T Jones

Say it quietly, £100k a year in the south east, especially as a household income, doesn’t go very far.

Quite. Pension contributions over £100k are regularly talked about as some kind of solution, as though the resulting take home is more than enough to live on. In the South East it provides a very basic lifestyle at best. Don’t get me started on the childcare issues.

PP34 has become wildly uncompetitive as a salary structure, not least because of the glacial rate at which it increases but also that anyone joining now is likely to be stuck in this painful tax bracket for quite some time - even if you get an early command.

I suspect this is why it’s supposedly being addressed by BALPA and BA, although I doubt the NI hikes in the budget have helped BALPA’s cause much.

[ManUtd1999]

Originally Posted by FACoff

In the South East it provides a very basic lifestyle at best. Don’t get me started on the childcare issues.

The UK tax system is far from perfect but let's not pretend senior BA pilots are some sort of disadvantaged minority. 1000s of people live perfectly well in the South East with salaries of much less than 100k.

[PPRuNeUser481044]

Originally Posted by ManUtd1999

The UK tax system is far from perfect but let's not pretend senior BA pilots are some sort of disadvantaged minority. 1000s of people live perfectly well in the South East with salaries of much less than 100k.

Perhaps not a disadvantaged minority. But with even the most basic of houses pushing £1M and beyond, i think a salary of 7000 to 8000 is quite poor.

What gets me is as a Ryanair contractor FO I've taken more than that, net. Of course it's based on me flying and there are no other benefits, but still, as pure salary I think that is quite underwhelming for someone who is a BA captain and with 24 yrs service. It would have to clear 10k net to be considered serious for me at least.

[Newhairdo]

Originally Posted by tecnamflyer

Perhaps not a disadvantaged minority. But with even the most basic of houses pushing £1M and beyond, i think a salary of 7000 to 8000 is quite poor.

What gets me is as a Ryanair contractor FO I've taken more than that, net. Of course it's based on me flying and there are no other benefits, but still, as pure salary I think that is quite underwhelming for someone who is a BA captain and with 24 yrs service. It would have to clear 10k net to be considered serious for me at least.

I’m not sure where this thread is going, but it seems to be diverging into a discussion for entitled BA pilots. If the salary isn’t good enough to cover your lifestyle, then change your lifestyle, move, commute, go overseas, go to EZY/RYR. Or change careers.
Plenty of people make it work on a much lower salary, with fewer days off and less benefits.
7-8000 is a huge amount. I cannot believe you think it’s “poor”

Sure, the new government is definitely not helping, but there is always a solution. None of the choices are easy, but there are at least choices.

[Ropsy]

Hey there guys,

new to the topic but aware of the content of the previous 78 pages.

Can anyone who has recently done the assessment share some info especially on:

- is the first day really just approx. 1.5h Eagle test and back home to wait for the interview date?

- shirt and suit pants sufficient for the EAGLE test day or do i need to buy a jacket ? (I am coming in straight from a 3 weeks duty tour that’s why)

thanks in advance

[JulietSierra6]

Originally Posted by tecnamflyer

Perhaps not a disadvantaged minority. But with even the most basic of houses pushing £1M and beyond, i think a salary of 7000 to 8000 is quite poor.

What gets me is as a Ryanair contractor FO I've taken more than that, net. Of course it's based on me flying and there are no other benefits, but still, as pure salary I think that is quite underwhelming for someone who is a BA captain and with 24 yrs service. It would have to clear 10k net to be considered serious for me at least.

Having been a contracting FO at Ryanair and a current BA shorthaul captain I have to chip in here. Come on, please don’t compare your one or two months of the year to a consistent salary of 8k net. Would you like to share what must have been an exceptional amount block hours you’ve flown to get close to that figure, all the while with no sick pay, no pension contributions, no LOL insurance, not to mention no rostering protections or food!

Salary at BA at some points/positions on the scale isn’t market leading and we’re aware of that and attempting to address it, but the above is an insulting comparison.

Still taking an unpaid month off in the winter?

[PPRuNeUser481044]

I clearly mentioned the fact you'd need to fly and lack of other benefits as caveats - so do calm down. And besides, aren't BA pilots also clearing 750hrs/Yr? It's not much different?

I made it clear that as a pure salary figure, the casual observer would expect a BA captain of 24 yrs to be galaxies apart from that of a RYR F/O.

And no, I have had no forced winter unpaid. However I have flown 850+ hrs this year (my choice via swaps) so I'm on an extended holiday in the sun. Floating contracts are currently paying €140/hr (captains €230/hr) with 5/5 roster. Winter 5/13, and still hitting 800 hrs per yr .. some insist it's the best contract around but personally I'd rather be somewhere more stable and serving as a career, as well as try long haul ..

[JulietSierra6]

Originally Posted by tecnamflyer

I clearly mentioned the fact you'd need to fly and lack of other benefits as caveats - so do calm down. And besides, aren't BA pilots also clearing 750hrs/Yr? It's not much different?

I made it clear that as a pure salary figure, the casual observer would expect a BA captain of 24 yrs to be galaxies apart from that of a RYR F/O.

And no, I have had no forced winter unpaid. However I have flown 850+ hrs this year (my choice via swaps) so I'm on an extended holiday in the sun. Floating contracts are currently paying €140/hr (captains €230/hr) with 5/5 roster. Winter 5/13, and still hitting 800 hrs per yr .. some insist it's the best contract around but personally I'd rather be somewhere more stable and serving as a career, as well as try long haul ..

…but they are galaxies apart when you actually consider all the information. Good luck with the recruitment process.

[roll_over]

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Read and weep, the American version of pprune is a bit different to ours, but atleast we have the NHS 😩

[PPRuNeUser481044]

Originally Posted by roll_over

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Read and weep, the American version of pprune is a bit different to ours, but atleast we have the NHS 😩

Ah, but see you forget the LoL

[kwaralala]

Originally Posted by Ropsy

Hey there guys,

new to the topic but aware of the content of the previous 78 pages.

Can anyone who has recently done the assessment share some info especially on:

- is the first day really just approx. 1.5h Eagle test and back home to wait for the interview date?

- shirt and suit pants sufficient for the EAGLE test day or do i need to buy a jacket ? (I am coming in straight from a 3 weeks duty tour that’s why)

thanks in advance

Interested in the same info. I am commuting from fairly far away.

[Seosan]

Originally Posted by kwaralala

Interested in the same info. I am commuting from fairly far away.

Yes. The computer test is a single event now, considering you’re applying to be based about 3 yards from where the head office is they assume getting there won’t be an issue.

Should you wear a suit jacket? Well it’s 1°C in London today, and you’re attending a job interview. What do you reckon?

[787driver787]

Originally Posted by tecnamflyer

Hello all!

Looking to kick off my assessment for Direct Entry FO long haul, I've just been invited to do the video assessment. I see above there were a few DMs doing the rounds with all the gen, is anyone kind enough to share these?

Anything is helpful. I have bought LPJ etc but honestly they don't seem to match what I've read some of the guys here got.

Cheers!

Is anyone able to share any info on this please. Got the video assessment to do.

[kwaralala]

Originally Posted by Seosan

Yes. The computer test is a single event now, considering you’re applying to be based about 3 yards from where the head office is they assume getting there won’t be an issue.

Should you wear a suit jacket? Well it’s 1°C in London today, and you’re attending a job interview. What do you reckon?

Thanks but your sass isn't required. Just got confirmation from BA that all stages except the sim assessment will be held on the same day.

[PPRuNeUser481044]

Originally Posted by kwaralala

Thanks but your sass isn't required. Just got confirmation from BA that all stages except the sim assessment will be held on the same day.

Really?

I have been told it's only the EAGLE test, and if successful there will be an interview and group test at a later date

[kwaralala]

Originally Posted by tecnamflyer

Really?

I have been told it's only the EAGLE test, and if successful there will be an interview and group test at a later date

I have my assessment soon, will confirm then.

[787driver787]

Has any one else applied for the DEP 787, and received invite for video interview. Would appreciate any info on what questions are asked.

[Up to the sky]

Hi All , I have the eagle test schedule late January for DEP FO LH , the document say its only one hour test ans if successful , Ill be invite for another date for the next step.... What's the best way for preparation ? Skytest or Pilot assesment ?
As well , any suggestion for the hotel stay around ?
Thanks