British Airways Direct Entry Pilot
Joined: Jun 2010
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From: UK
Good evening all,
I was wondering if there is anyone on this thread involved with the training department who would be happy to answer a question I have?
Currently busy with the application process BA Long Haul and will do my Capacity test soon. I am eligible to apply under the “ Hold an EASA ATPL licence and meet the “Third Country CPL and ATPL licence conversion requirements” set out by the UK CAA (route 3, 4, 5 or 6).” I had a U.K. licence before.
As it wasn’t clear in the application section, my question is this: If successful, do I need to convert to a U.K. CAA Licence before the Type Rating start date or is the BA training, type rating and skill test used to “open” my U.K. licence? The CAA guidance isn’t really that clear. The reason I am asking is because if I have to pay for for a sim slot on my current type, to convert to a UK licence via UK examiner LST, it’s going to be eye watering.
Very long winded, sorry. Happy to also take a PM so as not to clog up the discussion here.
thank you
I was wondering if there is anyone on this thread involved with the training department who would be happy to answer a question I have?
Currently busy with the application process BA Long Haul and will do my Capacity test soon. I am eligible to apply under the “ Hold an EASA ATPL licence and meet the “Third Country CPL and ATPL licence conversion requirements” set out by the UK CAA (route 3, 4, 5 or 6).” I had a U.K. licence before.
As it wasn’t clear in the application section, my question is this: If successful, do I need to convert to a U.K. CAA Licence before the Type Rating start date or is the BA training, type rating and skill test used to “open” my U.K. licence? The CAA guidance isn’t really that clear. The reason I am asking is because if I have to pay for for a sim slot on my current type, to convert to a UK licence via UK examiner LST, it’s going to be eye watering.
Very long winded, sorry. Happy to also take a PM so as not to clog up the discussion here.
thank you
Joined: Apr 2017
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From: UK
I'd be very surprised if they're still paying to run sims for an acft type they retired nearly 4 years ago. I can think of a few 744 operators who probably would have liked to buy them after covid.
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From: Europe
Joined: Sep 2014
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From: England
Joined: Oct 2005
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From: uk
Thats what you are tasked with if you get the 320 or 380,good luck.
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From: European riviera
Easier said than done I know as I did my sim assessment on the 747 - but it is worth reminding folk they are NOT expecting you to fly the aircraft perfectly, nor is the assessment about how accurately you can fly an unfamiliar aircraft raw data and handle some minor distractions.
It’s more about “managing” the flight as a team - non technical skills are what it’s really about .
If you search the really old threads re previous sim assessments at BA, you’ll see people passed with average raw data flying skills….some people were fast on speed, others became unstable on approach etc…but they worked together to fix it ! if the other guy is struggling or their capacity bucket is full, offer guidance and manage the workload together etc.
Put another way, you could fly the aircraft perfectly and to test pilot standard but if you let the other guy sink or ignore them you ain’t going to pass.
Conversely you can make handling errors, become unstable and go around - but if you’ve worked effectively with the other guy to manage the distractions and problems - well that’s possibly going to paint you in a much better light .
Unlike some other airlines, BA put the emphasis on teamwork in their sim assessments not handling perfection….you can make mistakes and still pass…
It’s more about “managing” the flight as a team - non technical skills are what it’s really about .
If you search the really old threads re previous sim assessments at BA, you’ll see people passed with average raw data flying skills….some people were fast on speed, others became unstable on approach etc…but they worked together to fix it ! if the other guy is struggling or their capacity bucket is full, offer guidance and manage the workload together etc.
Put another way, you could fly the aircraft perfectly and to test pilot standard but if you let the other guy sink or ignore them you ain’t going to pass.
Conversely you can make handling errors, become unstable and go around - but if you’ve worked effectively with the other guy to manage the distractions and problems - well that’s possibly going to paint you in a much better light .
Unlike some other airlines, BA put the emphasis on teamwork in their sim assessments not handling perfection….you can make mistakes and still pass…
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From: London
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From: FL390
Everyone gets bored of the person who just reads the approach plate verbatim and calls it a “briefing”. We know what an ILS is. What’s different about this one?
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From: Italy
Back to a question regarding commuting: I’ve heard some LH guys and gals live abroad, but I was wondering how that works out tax/social security wise and whether the way to do this would necessarily have to be part-time? Say one gets on as a junior 777 guy, is commuting from Central Europe feasible?
Thanks for the heads up
Thanks for the heads up
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From: UK
Back to a question regarding commuting: I’ve heard some LH guys and gals live abroad, but I was wondering how that works out tax/social security wise and whether the way to do this would necessarily have to be part-time? Say one gets on as a junior 777 guy, is commuting from Central Europe feasible?
Thanks for the heads up
Thanks for the heads up
Better if it's a base with plenty of BA flights.
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From: Mrs Smith's flower bed.
Hi,
Who would you recommend for a practice sim session before the assessment? I have found a few different places but it would be nice to hear from some people that have actually been there. The ones I am considering are Motion, PM flight and FSM, any reviews or other recommendations would be appreciated.
Thanks
Who would you recommend for a practice sim session before the assessment? I have found a few different places but it would be nice to hear from some people that have actually been there. The ones I am considering are Motion, PM flight and FSM, any reviews or other recommendations would be appreciated.
Thanks
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From: The Winchester
Back to a question regarding commuting: I’ve heard some LH guys and gals live abroad, but I was wondering how that works out tax/social security wise and whether the way to do this would necessarily have to be part-time? Say one gets on as a junior 777 guy, is commuting from Central Europe feasible?
Thanks for the heads up
Thanks for the heads up
I'm not involved in this anymore so happy to be corrected but with regard to tax etc the usual situation in very basic terms was that you paid a reduced amount of UK Income Tax, exact amount based on the percentage of your duty time spent in the UK, but you paid full UK National Insurance (social charge on income).
The tax/social charge situation in your country of residence varies, local rules and taxtreaties with UK.