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I’ve applied. Never worked there. I’ve not received a PFO yet. I asked when could one expect to find out about being invited for assessment and all I’ve been told is there are many applications that they are still working through and expect to hear back from them soon.
that was over a month ago 🤦🏽♂️
that was over a month ago 🤦🏽♂️
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18 years in commercial operations, plenty of current command time , over ten k on the bus, never stopped flying through the pandemic, current LPC/OPC and class one without restrictions, under 45 years of age, over 400 hours in the last year, uk passport holder, vaguely foreign sounding name , which should help with the pc brigade and i also was told to PFO, maybe i should've identified as trans or summfink ?
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I think the answer, ironically, is in the Wizzair thread. According to one poster, the vast majority of available positions have been filled by internal transfers, and the the various BA holding pools set up after BA made some pilots redundant, and put the 747 out of commission.
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yes, thats what i thought in all honesty, or suspected rather, I wasn't aware how many people were put in from internal transfer, numbers etc and I'm guessing by the law of the land, they must advertise the position to make it a fair competition, at least on paper, even if the result is well known in advance. oh well it would've been good to get back to blighty...even if it is Laaandon Gatters....some day maybe eh ?
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Guys/girls,
They pretty much had the airline filled barely halfway down the PRP list (e.g the list of 249 folk they sacked last year).
If there is any external recruitment it will be an absolute trickle to tick some HR box somewhere.
T's and C's are dire in in the context of what your colleagues are on to fly the same jets up the road but sadly as you've still got tens of thousands unemployed or on zero hours etc who would jump at it they aren't going to improve (ever, your BACC will see to that)
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They pretty much had the airline filled barely halfway down the PRP list (e.g the list of 249 folk they sacked last year).
If there is any external recruitment it will be an absolute trickle to tick some HR box somewhere.
T's and C's are dire in in the context of what your colleagues are on to fly the same jets up the road but sadly as you've still got tens of thousands unemployed or on zero hours etc who would jump at it they aren't going to improve (ever, your BACC will see to that)
Cheers,
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Perhaps the unemployed could find work elsewhere in other industries, then BA will have to improve the terms to attract the talent. People need to say NO to these companies offering poor terms and no retirement.
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Unfortunately COVID has turned the industry upside down, and most pilots have suffered. I’m therefore not surprised that BA have apparently had no issue crewing the new set up at Gatwick.
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You got redundancy through LIFO? Lucky you....some of us expected that after decades in post and it was denied. Don't bank on LIFO - if it is attacked, NOBODY wants to defend it! Including unions.
It is very strange that here in "the land of the free" (I am not originally from here, worked there till 05) pretty much every airline is unionized, all are LIFO, conditions (currently, at least) are way better. What happened in the EU that unions have no power, Wizz and Ryan thrive, BA has awful T/C (aso)?
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Not saying it's right but the logic is that in difficult times, when a company is trying to reduce costs, LIFO might mean retraining someone on another type, which is a cost to the company, which is what they're trying to avoid.
Secondly, BA's employees are mostly from the UK, a Western European country where living costs are high and therefore salaries need to be commensurate with this. Ryanair and Wizz mostly hire cheap labour from Eastern Europe. Those airlines can therefore offer cheaper fares on the same routes. The legacy carriers have to (on some routes) compete with this. Big Europe allows these companies to take advantage of this. It is not a level playing field unfortunately, but it makes a lot of business men with friends in politics very wealthy. The US is a similar land mass size to Europe but it is one country with (broadly speaking) identical hiring and labour laws. Salaries from one state to the next are also near identical.
Secondly, BA's employees are mostly from the UK, a Western European country where living costs are high and therefore salaries need to be commensurate with this. Ryanair and Wizz mostly hire cheap labour from Eastern Europe. Those airlines can therefore offer cheaper fares on the same routes. The legacy carriers have to (on some routes) compete with this. Big Europe allows these companies to take advantage of this. It is not a level playing field unfortunately, but it makes a lot of business men with friends in politics very wealthy. The US is a similar land mass size to Europe but it is one country with (broadly speaking) identical hiring and labour laws. Salaries from one state to the next are also near identical.
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Not saying it's right but the logic is that in difficult times, when a company is trying to reduce costs, LIFO might mean retraining someone on another type, which is a cost to the company, which is what they're trying to avoid.
Secondly, BA's employees are mostly from the UK, a Western European country where living costs are high and therefore salaries need to be commensurate with this. Ryanair and Wizz mostly hire cheap labour from Eastern Europe. Those airlines can therefore offer cheaper fares on the same routes. The legacy carriers have to (on some routes) compete with this. Big Europe allows these companies to take advantage of this. It is not a level playing field unfortunately, but it makes a lot of business men with friends in politics very wealthy. The US is a similar land mass size to Europe but it is one country with (broadly speaking) identical hiring and labour laws. Salaries from one state to the next are also near identical.
Secondly, BA's employees are mostly from the UK, a Western European country where living costs are high and therefore salaries need to be commensurate with this. Ryanair and Wizz mostly hire cheap labour from Eastern Europe. Those airlines can therefore offer cheaper fares on the same routes. The legacy carriers have to (on some routes) compete with this. Big Europe allows these companies to take advantage of this. It is not a level playing field unfortunately, but it makes a lot of business men with friends in politics very wealthy. The US is a similar land mass size to Europe but it is one country with (broadly speaking) identical hiring and labour laws. Salaries from one state to the next are also near identical.
Also difficult to unionise across so many countries & freedom of movement allows them to bring in crews from different countries to break strikes
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Secondly, BA's employees are mostly from the UK, a Western European country where living costs are high and therefore salaries need to be commensurate with this. Ryanair and Wizz mostly hire cheap labour from Eastern Europe. Those airlines can therefore offer cheaper fares on the same routes. The legacy carriers have to (on some routes) compete with this. Big Europe allows these companies to take advantage of this. It is not a level playing field unfortunately, but it makes a lot of business men with friends in politics very wealthy. The US is a similar land mass size to Europe but it is one country with (broadly speaking) identical hiring and labour laws. Salaries from one state to the next are also near identical.
You're 180 out, in Europe we have a level-ish playing field, in the US they have protectionism.
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I don't think it's much to do with "Big Europe" or enriching businessmen. It's the free market responding to a globalised and easily relocated workforce. Can an expensive Western Europe based pilot add more value to the business than one who's located somewhere cheaper to live? If not, makes sense to outsource. Leads to cheaper fares and more people being able to enjoy air travel.
You're 180 out, in Europe we have a level-ish playing field, in the US they have protectionism.
You're 180 out, in Europe we have a level-ish playing field, in the US they have protectionism.
As you said yourself.
Would a low cost airline based in France be able to have the same cost base as one based in Romania.
Given all the employment protections and minimum pay etc etc.
Is it that bad ?
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1. See here for PPJN - DITW. Is PPJN dead?
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Well, possibly, but not as bad as this ...
Flybe recruitment.
At least in BA Lite LGW, you probably won't be forbidden to discuss T & C with any external agency ...
According to recent Telegraph scuttlebutt, New Flybe are requiring a prior Non Disclosure Agreement as a condition of employment.
LFH
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Lots of talk but what is the actual offer and schedule for a DEC ?
PPJN seems a bit outdated and focused on the Embraers.
PPJN seems a bit outdated and focused on the Embraers.
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Is it that bad ?
Flybe recruitment.
At least in BA Lite LGW, you probably won't be forbidden to discuss T & C with any external agency ...
According to recent Telegraph scuttlebutt, New Flybe are requiring a prior Non Disclosure Agreement as a condition of employment.
LFH
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I haven’t heard of any BA liveried flights from LGW this summer except a Scottish one. All others seem to be on Vueling or Iberia express.
are they actually running ??
are they actually running ??
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