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Ha, sorry, I’ll try and rephrase.
balpa was told by BA about the plans for newco before any CR had been made. Ie they were told that contrary to the rhetoric BA was putting out, they did in fact see a fairly immediate need for pilots at gatwick. To then allow CR, knowing full well those pilots would be needed, when other zero cost measures were available for the interim period, is shambolic in my opinion and amounts to fire and rehire. In my opinion, by doing so, they essentially did say to BA “yeah go on then, sack the junior lot, save the 747 lot and make a worse contract at gatwick in less than a years time”
balpa was told by BA about the plans for newco before any CR had been made. Ie they were told that contrary to the rhetoric BA was putting out, they did in fact see a fairly immediate need for pilots at gatwick. To then allow CR, knowing full well those pilots would be needed, when other zero cost measures were available for the interim period, is shambolic in my opinion and amounts to fire and rehire. In my opinion, by doing so, they essentially did say to BA “yeah go on then, sack the junior lot, save the 747 lot and make a worse contract at gatwick in less than a years time”
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Serious question, how so? That is exactly what happened, and the governmentmade a scheme to cover the wage bill of those who would be needed after the pandemic but not during, which is exactly what we’re seeing is the case for those CR pilots. Please, do explain how my imagination is running away with that because I truly don’t see it.
edit to add: I truly don’t see how they could be aware of newco plans, know they were going to enforce the scope agreement, know that the furlough scheme was available to use, and still allow BA to make any redundancies until at least the end of the furlough scheme. That was not protecting the 250 odd fully paying members who got made redundant.
edit to add: I truly don’t see how they could be aware of newco plans, know they were going to enforce the scope agreement, know that the furlough scheme was available to use, and still allow BA to make any redundancies until at least the end of the furlough scheme. That was not protecting the 250 odd fully paying members who got made redundant.
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Good luck
Good luck to you all at BA, particularly those who are getting the opportunity to return to the skies at long last.
I left last year after 15 amazing years on the triple, partly due to mental health issues, so when BA offered VR, I declined the offer of entering any of the pools and fell on my sword! Part of my reasoning for doing so, a small part admittedly, was that at the age of 50 it would be better to let a younger person have the chance of the great career that I had than for me to cling on. I’d had enough of the sleep deprivation too.
There were about 4500 pilots on the MSL when I left. In a group of diverse people of that size, some will be selfish, some will not. In my experience, the vast majority were good eggs who were far from selfish.
As an aside, for anybody dithering about retiring, if personal circumstances allow of course, I would recommend it. I am significantly poorer financially than I was whilst flying, but much, much richer in other ways and my mental health is A1 again. Do I miss trying to sleep in the oily, smelly high vis jacket at 30W? Nah!
Best to all.
I left last year after 15 amazing years on the triple, partly due to mental health issues, so when BA offered VR, I declined the offer of entering any of the pools and fell on my sword! Part of my reasoning for doing so, a small part admittedly, was that at the age of 50 it would be better to let a younger person have the chance of the great career that I had than for me to cling on. I’d had enough of the sleep deprivation too.
There were about 4500 pilots on the MSL when I left. In a group of diverse people of that size, some will be selfish, some will not. In my experience, the vast majority were good eggs who were far from selfish.
As an aside, for anybody dithering about retiring, if personal circumstances allow of course, I would recommend it. I am significantly poorer financially than I was whilst flying, but much, much richer in other ways and my mental health is A1 again. Do I miss trying to sleep in the oily, smelly high vis jacket at 30W? Nah!
Best to all.
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P1969, well said. I hope to going that way in a couple of years myself. If you miss the flying at all, then try locking yourself in the stair cupboard in the dark with the hoover running 😉
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Can you provide a bit more than this? Respectfully, what you may have heard or wanted to hear could easily be framed as confirmation bias when compared against the tone of your other posts which to be frank are basically loaded with conspiracy theories.
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I can only assume there were not enough internal valid bids in this years PRIAM to fill the vacancies..
We were told only weeks ago that the 320 fleet was in surplus, this disappeared when NEWCO was approved, if no one wants to move to LGW this surplus must still be there, I wonder how that’s going to be resolved now the CRS folk are being welcomed back.
Interesting times ahead me thinks..
We were told only weeks ago that the 320 fleet was in surplus, this disappeared when NEWCO was approved, if no one wants to move to LGW this surplus must still be there, I wonder how that’s going to be resolved now the CRS folk are being welcomed back.
Interesting times ahead me thinks..
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What? So you can spend your time reading about self entitled moaners (small minority of serial posters) with nothing better to do than bang on about how this, that and the other will mean 50p less a year in their pension. No thanks.
Anyway, this proposal for DEC. Yet another hammer blow for the 249 made compulsory redundant for JM's ego trip. I'm sure Sean Doyle has his number marked now, anyway. How on earth he obtained the role in the first place is beyond me - you only have to listen to his negativity for 5 minutes to ask yourself why. Interesting that the negative rhetoric from 2020 is now coming back to bite him hard, with the cancellation of services due to lack of crew and equipment.
Anyway, this proposal for DEC. Yet another hammer blow for the 249 made compulsory redundant for JM's ego trip. I'm sure Sean Doyle has his number marked now, anyway. How on earth he obtained the role in the first place is beyond me - you only have to listen to his negativity for 5 minutes to ask yourself why. Interesting that the negative rhetoric from 2020 is now coming back to bite him hard, with the cancellation of services due to lack of crew and equipment.
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Did consider it but TBH time moves on and reading about how bidding is working out or what the latest gripe is about crew security screening moved down the list of priorities..
Did consider it but TBH time moves on and reading about how bidding is working out or what the latest gripe is about crew security screening moved down the list of priorities..