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[DS1]

Originally Posted by Busdriver01

This is purely rumour at this point though isn't it, because the union haven't yet actually told anyone what the proposed deal is.

Yep guess we will know more next week.

[hunterboy]

It had better be more than 4% or I suspect there will be a large rejection……I was thinking more like 15% !

[Busdriver01]

Again a rumour but apparently the PRP members will also not be getting their original pay points reinstated despite balpa saying that that was a 'deal breaker' - not many of the pilot membership at BA, it seems, really know how bad the PRP had it - no redundancy pay, no pay protection upon return, new fleet freeze of 5 years.

Any deal that doesn't do right for the PRP members should be outright rejected - or they've been thrown under the bus yet again and we will have 250 seriously disaffected colleagues for the remainder of their careers. Furthermore, why would any new ba pilot believe balpa had their best interests at heart? Not sticking up for the bottom of the MSL at this time could well have serious implications the long term stability / strength of the union.

[HEJT2015]

Busdriver01, thank you.

[Busdriver01]

Originally Posted by HEJT2015

Busdriver01, thank you.

Someone has to speak up for them. We have let them down repeatedly over the last two years, and I fear they're going to be the sacrificial lambs *yet again* which would be an absolute travesty.

[Busdriver01]

Originally Posted by DS1

4% this year and 4% next year.

If only the actual deal was as good as this... (spoiler alert: it's not)

[thetimesreader84]

I had low expectations but... wow.

[Busdriver01]

The PRP have been well and truly let down with this deal - a small annual bonus for a few years, before returning to their new (lower) pay point for the remainder of their careers. Disgusting.

We ought, too, to be extremely worried about the scheduling agreements they’re proposing. Goodbye any and all roster stability.

The downward spiral continues. I wouldn’t bother joining this airline any more.

[thetimesreader84]

Originally Posted by Busdriver01

We ought, too, to be extremely worried about the scheduling agreements they’re proposing. Goodbye any and all roster stability.

Just to expand on this. Under the new scheme, if you have a trip change after 6pm local, you're effectively going to be expected to keep to your original report time, and BA crewing will let you know 4 hours before your report what you're going to do. Anything that clears within 3 hours of your original finish time is fair game.

It reads like the first step on the road to "your days off are yours, everything else is BA's" which was the attitude at the bottom feeder turboprop outfit I got away from 15 odd years ago.

As for the PRP "settlement", there's nothing I can say that hasn't been said already. A kick in the slats.

To anyone going through the joining process at the moment think hard. You aren't going to matter to BALPA (and by extension BA) for at least a decade. This pay deal proves it.

[Jwscud]

You have just described the already extant rostering system at LGW.

[SunSmith]

And the BALPA cheer-leaders calling it a great deal......

"Opportunity to wipe the slate clean"
"powder dry"
"no alternative"
"next pay deal"......

[DS1]

Originally Posted by Jwscud

You have just described the already extant rostering system at LGW.

The deal for euroflyer is atrocious. Didn’t these guys join BA originally? Where is Balpa?

[BAreject]

Originally Posted by SunSmith

"no alternative"

Spineless (when it comes to junior trash, anyway).

Let the BACC be very clear on this, "BA set a red line on return to original payscales for the PRP members". Rest assured everybody though, "it was a big matter for the BACC" - so big that they plan to revisit it some time in another life....

Can you imagine Mick Lynch coming out with such utterly pathetic defeatist talk?

All that said though, is anybody genuinely surprised at this proposed outcome?

[Arrowhead]

Struggling to find quality applicants? Lol

Originally Posted by biddedout

Thanks Flash,
That's interesting. I only thought about it after recently looking through the list of TRE's on the CAA website and spotting several extremely experienced, qualified and capable former colleagues who are still out of work. If BA is struggling to find quality applicants and care about standards, they need to drop the crap about needing to be a current Airbus commander because that is preventing these trainers and many other capable line pilots from applying. If they are struggling for quality, then it is entirely of their own doing. If they actually put a bit of money into training, they would have the benefit of a new crop of potential trainer talent for free but so far, they just seem to be going down the road of the worst of the LoCo's and it will eventually bite them.

All I can say is I applied as DEC last November with >12,000 hours on the A320 (8,000 in command), and I didn’t even get an interview at BA LGW (nor at Jet2). I’m 50, and had been out of flying for 8 months.

I don’t know what criteria these airlines are looking for, but clearly A320 experience isn’t one of them. Maybe they had enough DECs applying from EZY, FR, and Wizz?

Luckily I did eventually find a UK carrier who wanted me as A320 DEC.

[A320LGW]

Originally Posted by Arrowhead

All I can say is I applied as DEC last November with >12,000 hours on the A320 (8,000 in command), and I didn’t even get an interview at BA LGW (nor at Jet2). I’m 50, and had been out of flying for 8 months.

I don’t know what criteria these airlines are looking for, but clearly A320 experience isn’t one of them.

Luckily I did eventually find a UK carrier who wanted me as A320 DEC.

I think they are looking for A320 rated, those are the only ones who seem to be getting assessments. Dare I say age probably came into it in your case?

[Arrowhead]

Originally Posted by A320LGW

I think they are looking for A320 rated, those are the only ones who seem to be getting assessments. Dare I say age probably came into it in your case?

i am A320 rated. It’s all I have ever flown. 50 may be a bit old perhaps… Also I got my hours in Asia, not in Europe.

But it goes to show they must have had a lot of younger, UK-experienced A320 DECs apply…

[kendrick47247]

Originally Posted by A320LGW

those are the only ones who seem to be getting assessments

No, they are not.

[zumzum]

Hi guys,

some feedback from my last interview with BA EF DEC (about 2 weeks ago)

Generally speaking, I think the interview has been fairly straight forward. The tech test was also not that difficult (I think it was like 30 questions, 30mins and not related to A320. Just ATPL stuff)
Then we had a group exercise and a personal interview. Again, not for NASA astronauts.

At lunch time we had a relaxed chat with a Captain and a First Officer both from EF. They went through a presentation and offered us snacks and crisps lol.
Nice guys for sure. Salary is around 80K£ plus the flying (totaling around 100K). This turns out to be something around 5,500/6000£ PM after tax.

I don't think I will continue to the next steps. London is an expensive place to live even tho I kinda enjoyed the HQ, people and so on. All the non-financial related stuff basically.

Feel free to DM me if you are seeking additional infos.

Best

[SW1]

Good post zumzum! Did you get a positive reply back from BA yet?

[flyer4life]

The salary is disappointing considering the cost of living around LGW.

Any information about the pension on offer? Also, what kind of rosters could we expect? (Days off per month, typical patterns, stability, sectors per day, typical duty length, any nightstops etc).

Cheers.