LGW BA lite
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From: Neverland
How bad is the rostering? The only 320 skippers I can imagine taking it would be from a certain pink airline wanting to be based close to home in Gatwick as conditions are probably similar but with better perks possibly from BA... Due to no slots I assume pink wont get the expansion they dream of there for a long time to come...
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From: where I lay my hat
I'm not sure it's the tests that will deter ... so much as the low pay and LGW. All the locos on a full contract, pay far more than that for 800 hours, and offer nice rural provincial bases if you want them . And I see the seniority list is being vaunted as a "perk" - oh the irony, and another example of how seniority list suppresses pay.
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From: Botswana
The reality of anyone joining for the supposed perk of the BA MSL has to fully understood. Yes technically you will be on the Master Seniority List however you will join with a six year engagement freeze at LGW, do NOT expect to move quickly at the end of that freeze as LGW has been historically difficult for BA to crew, pilots have very often been held back at the end of their freeze because the company physically couldn’t fill the seats with replacements. This problem will be even worse now given how unattractive BA have made the new LGW. Six years could very easily turn into something more resembling ten; a very long time to spend on what is a deeply unsatisfactory level of pay and with fatigue inducing rosters just for a carrot that will be visible but always taken just out of reach.
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From: London, UK
Dragon Baron
Put up in error before internal bids had been processed, and more importantly before any expressions of interest from redundant pilots, or hold pool candidates were obtained 🙄
This may change the requirement to few, or none
Put up in error before internal bids had been processed, and more importantly before any expressions of interest from redundant pilots, or hold pool candidates were obtained 🙄
This may change the requirement to few, or none
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From: uk
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eagle21
No........
Think LONGER........
Also, how very interesting that BA have a surplus of 320 crew at LHR, but because the terms are so rubbish at LGW they will now recruit externally to fill those roles (if anyone is daft enough to leave Easy etc to lower their salary with BA - remember this is BA that HAS made pilots redundant, an presumably will again should the need arise).
So we have BA with (say) 700x 320 pilots at LHR, but only needs (say) 600, and has a need for (say) 150x pilots at LGW.... but rather than offer reasonable terms so 100 transfer from LHR to LGW, BA would rather recruit (or try to recruit) 150 more pilots.... thereby they now have 850x Airbus pilots when they only really need 750! Clever (not).
Any another thing..... no inflationary pay rises until AT LEAST January 2024 (and that is only the ~4% that was promised in January 2021 (thereby hopefully taking us back to ~100% of January 2020 pay - remember even after CRS finishes we will still have the ~4% long term reduction)). This is NOT a clever position to be in as RPI inflation was just announced to be 6% and climbing.... 4 years of 6% is.... urmmmmm..... 26.2%..... thats 26.2% DOWN on purchasing power... SUPER
No........
Think LONGER........
Also, how very interesting that BA have a surplus of 320 crew at LHR, but because the terms are so rubbish at LGW they will now recruit externally to fill those roles (if anyone is daft enough to leave Easy etc to lower their salary with BA - remember this is BA that HAS made pilots redundant, an presumably will again should the need arise).
So we have BA with (say) 700x 320 pilots at LHR, but only needs (say) 600, and has a need for (say) 150x pilots at LGW.... but rather than offer reasonable terms so 100 transfer from LHR to LGW, BA would rather recruit (or try to recruit) 150 more pilots.... thereby they now have 850x Airbus pilots when they only really need 750! Clever (not).
Any another thing..... no inflationary pay rises until AT LEAST January 2024 (and that is only the ~4% that was promised in January 2021 (thereby hopefully taking us back to ~100% of January 2020 pay - remember even after CRS finishes we will still have the ~4% long term reduction)). This is NOT a clever position to be in as RPI inflation was just announced to be 6% and climbing.... 4 years of 6% is.... urmmmmm..... 26.2%..... thats 26.2% DOWN on purchasing power... SUPER
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From: SW1A 2AA
Friendly Low Fares will be the way forward. Basic pay is streets ahead of this. Captains should be grossing around £125K with sector pay/allowances. Pension contribution of 10% and probably about to start hiring for the expanding Airbus fleet.
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From: Brexland
Rt Hon Jim Hacker MP
Plus profit share once we get past Covid Captains would have been looking at almost an extra 20k on top of your figures in 2020 had the dastardly virus not emerged...
Not to mention when they inevitably open a LGW base and fill it with 321s you will have the reality of BA pilots looking across the apron at Jet2 pilots flying the same airplanes 50% less annually and earning 20 - 30% more than them. Crazy times.
Plus profit share once we get past Covid Captains would have been looking at almost an extra 20k on top of your figures in 2020 had the dastardly virus not emerged...
Not to mention when they inevitably open a LGW base and fill it with 321s you will have the reality of BA pilots looking across the apron at Jet2 pilots flying the same airplanes 50% less annually and earning 20 - 30% more than them. Crazy times.