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From: North of the M4
I see the EF job vacancy has been removed from the BA careers page. Does anyone know if they have managed to recruit enough DEC's to cover the 16 aircraft or are they still planning to wet lease into the next season?
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Floundering ............
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Indeed - I can't find any Euroflyer pilot vacancies on the BA website, nor indeed any ads placed directly by Euroflyer.
However, a gash google for "EF Pilot recruitment" brings up a number of seemingly current ads by various agencies I've never heard of ** - for direct entry pilots or direct entry captains. These do not seem to be made by Euroflyer. Some of them seem to be catch-all 'job-search engines.' So I have no idea whether any of them lead anywhere useful, or whether they are out-of-date dross, because you mostly have to register before they will tell you anything. ** For instance - GB-Melga, AviaNation, Jobriton and even LinkedIn.
Anyone seriously looking for a pilot job will already know the above. The word in our pub Friday night was that Euroflyer is still looking for pilots but the quality of applicants is questionable, there is a big shortfall in entry training capacity, and anyone in their right mind with the required type rating and 'acceptable to BA' ought to be looking elsewhere on account of the rubbish T & C.
The underlying opinion is that BA is flounderingly and micro-manageringly unable to decide from day to day what the pilot requirements are for both EF and Mainline and that EF is (unsurprisingly) getting a bit desprit.
Good luck to all pilot job-seekers.
I see the EF job vacancy has been removed from the BA careers page.
I'm guessing all done if advert has gone.
However, a gash google for "EF Pilot recruitment" brings up a number of seemingly current ads by various agencies I've never heard of ** - for direct entry pilots or direct entry captains. These do not seem to be made by Euroflyer. Some of them seem to be catch-all 'job-search engines.' So I have no idea whether any of them lead anywhere useful, or whether they are out-of-date dross, because you mostly have to register before they will tell you anything. ** For instance - GB-Melga, AviaNation, Jobriton and even LinkedIn.
Anyone seriously looking for a pilot job will already know the above. The word in our pub Friday night was that Euroflyer is still looking for pilots but the quality of applicants is questionable, there is a big shortfall in entry training capacity, and anyone in their right mind with the required type rating and 'acceptable to BA' ought to be looking elsewhere on account of the rubbish T & C.
The underlying opinion is that BA is flounderingly and micro-manageringly unable to decide from day to day what the pilot requirements are for both EF and Mainline and that EF is (unsurprisingly) getting a bit desprit.
Good luck to all pilot job-seekers.
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From: North of the M4
Thanks Flash,
That's interesting. I only thought about it after recently looking through the list of TRE's on the CAA website and spotting several extremely experienced, qualified and capable former colleagues who are still out of work. If BA is struggling to find quality applicants and care about standards, they need to drop the crap about needing to be a current Airbus commander because that is preventing these trainers and many other capable line pilots from applying. If they are struggling for quality, then it is entirely of their own doing. If they actually put a bit of money into training, they would have the benefit of a new crop of potential trainer talent for free but so far, they just seem to be going down the road of the worst of the LoCo's and it will eventually bite them.
That's interesting. I only thought about it after recently looking through the list of TRE's on the CAA website and spotting several extremely experienced, qualified and capable former colleagues who are still out of work. If BA is struggling to find quality applicants and care about standards, they need to drop the crap about needing to be a current Airbus commander because that is preventing these trainers and many other capable line pilots from applying. If they are struggling for quality, then it is entirely of their own doing. If they actually put a bit of money into training, they would have the benefit of a new crop of potential trainer talent for free but so far, they just seem to be going down the road of the worst of the LoCo's and it will eventually bite them.
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From Go to EF; time for EF to Go
From the BA careers website;
"You’ll feel at home here if you embrace timeless British values and modern Britain’s strengths: knowhow, creativity, energy, diversity and open-mindedness – and a sense of respect, responsibility, fair play and knowing whose turn it is to make the tea."
Which British value is having pilots fly the same aircraft, from the same city, in the same uniform, for less pay? I understand Covid has been awful and why people have applied for EF. But to reinstate BA's claimed respect and fair play to the UK pilot community, I sincerely hope EF goes the same way as Go.
"You’ll feel at home here if you embrace timeless British values and modern Britain’s strengths: knowhow, creativity, energy, diversity and open-mindedness – and a sense of respect, responsibility, fair play and knowing whose turn it is to make the tea."
Which British value is having pilots fly the same aircraft, from the same city, in the same uniform, for less pay? I understand Covid has been awful and why people have applied for EF. But to reinstate BA's claimed respect and fair play to the UK pilot community, I sincerely hope EF goes the same way as Go.
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From: Earth
The maths test is done online before going and is random questions.
Same day for group exercises, face to face, interview and multi tasking.
They also try and sell how great Euro Flyer is on the lower salary but higher flight pay as they cannot attract anyone.
Many people go for the interview and after meeting the BA recruitment team, changing mind about main line and Euro flyer. They will find it hard to attract people, especially those with U.K license, right to work in U.K that are current with a Airbus rating. When considering Jet 2, Easy etc are offering better deals overall.
Same day for group exercises, face to face, interview and multi tasking.
They also try and sell how great Euro Flyer is on the lower salary but higher flight pay as they cannot attract anyone.
Many people go for the interview and after meeting the BA recruitment team, changing mind about main line and Euro flyer. They will find it hard to attract people, especially those with U.K license, right to work in U.K that are current with a Airbus rating. When considering Jet 2, Easy etc are offering better deals overall.
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From: Sussex
Joined: May 2009
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From: somewhere in the middle
It reads like the first step on the road to "your days off are yours, everything else is BA's" which was the attitude at the bottom feeder turboprop outfit I got away from 15 odd years ago.
As for the PRP "settlement", there's nothing I can say that hasn't been said already. A kick in the slats.
To anyone going through the joining process at the moment think hard. You aren't going to matter to BALPA (and by extension BA) for at least a decade. This pay deal proves it.
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From: London
Spineless (when it comes to junior trash, anyway).
Let the BACC be very clear on this, "BA set a red line on return to original payscales for the PRP members". Rest assured everybody though, "it was a big matter for the BACC" - so big that they plan to revisit it some time in another life....
Can you imagine Mick Lynch coming out with such utterly pathetic defeatist talk?
All that said though, is anybody genuinely surprised at this proposed outcome?
Let the BACC be very clear on this, "BA set a red line on return to original payscales for the PRP members". Rest assured everybody though, "it was a big matter for the BACC" - so big that they plan to revisit it some time in another life....
Can you imagine Mick Lynch coming out with such utterly pathetic defeatist talk?
All that said though, is anybody genuinely surprised at this proposed outcome?
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From: Europe
Struggling to find quality applicants? Lol
Thanks Flash,
That's interesting. I only thought about it after recently looking through the list of TRE's on the CAA website and spotting several extremely experienced, qualified and capable former colleagues who are still out of work. If BA is struggling to find quality applicants and care about standards, they need to drop the crap about needing to be a current Airbus commander because that is preventing these trainers and many other capable line pilots from applying. If they are struggling for quality, then it is entirely of their own doing. If they actually put a bit of money into training, they would have the benefit of a new crop of potential trainer talent for free but so far, they just seem to be going down the road of the worst of the LoCo's and it will eventually bite them.
That's interesting. I only thought about it after recently looking through the list of TRE's on the CAA website and spotting several extremely experienced, qualified and capable former colleagues who are still out of work. If BA is struggling to find quality applicants and care about standards, they need to drop the crap about needing to be a current Airbus commander because that is preventing these trainers and many other capable line pilots from applying. If they are struggling for quality, then it is entirely of their own doing. If they actually put a bit of money into training, they would have the benefit of a new crop of potential trainer talent for free but so far, they just seem to be going down the road of the worst of the LoCo's and it will eventually bite them.
All I can say is I applied as DEC last November with >12,000 hours on the A320 (8,000 in command), and I didn’t even get an interview at BA LGW (nor at Jet2). I’m 50, and had been out of flying for 8 months.
I don’t know what criteria these airlines are looking for, but clearly A320 experience isn’t one of them. Maybe they had enough DECs applying from EZY, FR, and Wizz?
Luckily I did eventually find a UK carrier who wanted me as A320 DEC.
Last edited by Arrowhead; 20th October 2022 at 09:27.
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All I can say is I applied as DEC last November with >12,000 hours on the A320 (8,000 in command), and I didn’t even get an interview at BA LGW (nor at Jet2). I’m 50, and had been out of flying for 8 months.
I don’t know what criteria these airlines are looking for, but clearly A320 experience isn’t one of them.
Luckily I did eventually find a UK carrier who wanted me as A320 DEC.
I don’t know what criteria these airlines are looking for, but clearly A320 experience isn’t one of them.
Luckily I did eventually find a UK carrier who wanted me as A320 DEC.