LGW BA lite
Joined: Feb 2001
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From: ??-ask crewing
Well, I can see this being real"lo cost" ha ha - mainline (LHR?) crews for who knows how long, mainline everything including the mindset, a cheapo version of the already pretty shabby BA product (oo yes please)!, trying to re-enter a market they already abandoned.
*sarcasm mode off* - it's laughable. I wouldn't give it long. Even Go was an infinitely better concept.
*sarcasm mode off* - it's laughable. I wouldn't give it long. Even Go was an infinitely better concept.
Joined: May 2006
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From: Here and there
It said in the Daily Telegraph that BA Lgw was never maki g a profit prior to the pandemic, so how low will they have to go to make it so now??
and how long will they give it before abandoning LGW again??
and how long will they give it before abandoning LGW again??
Joined: Dec 1998
Aviation Qualifications: ATPL
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From: UK
As far as the travelling public will be concerned it won't be any different to BA at Gatwick before the pandemic. It's just lower Ts&Cs for the staff. So, it's not a new concept. But it will have separate management who will be able to choose the most profitable routes, unlike before when LGW just mostly got the routes that weren't profitable to work at LHR.
Joined: Jan 2022
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From: Voted out
Are many of the pilots voted out of BA expecting to be joining BA LGW? Are they looking at a significant pay cut? Was the possibility of pilots on higher pay scales taking a community pay cut discussed so these pilots are disadvantaged again?
Joined: Nov 2013
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From: Somerset
I did my Master's Degree thesis on the introduction of small regional jets into BA which included looking at the cost base and culture. It decided that they really needed to separate the whole RJ operation off, otherwise it would be loaded with LHR costs, Head Office overhead etc and would never be able to compete. This was in 1991, long before LoCos became a thing. BA flips and flops between making LGW a core site with lots of "waves" of shorthaul feeding longhaul and dropping the whole base because it doesn't make money. I doubt the accounting principles have improved much since my day when shorthaul was loaded with extra costs due to the absorbtion costing method where overheads were added per landing, not per flying hour, making Long Haul seem to be immensely profitable. Short Haul flights were sold in bulk at cheap rates to feed longhaul too.
Of course BA had a proper LoCo in Go!, run by Barbara Cassani, but sold it off to its management and then they sold it for a profit to EasyJet. Typical BA corporate decision making.
Of course BA had a proper LoCo in Go!, run by Barbara Cassani, but sold it off to its management and then they sold it for a profit to EasyJet. Typical BA corporate decision making.
Joined: Oct 2002
Aviation Qualifications: ATPL
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From: Oxford
QR wet leased some 320's to BA, their staff didn't have work visas.
Again I'm no immigration lawyer, so could well be wrong
Joined: Jan 2008
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From: in geosynchronous orbit
does anyone know someone who was actually invited to assessment for his perceived job opening ? AS FAR AS I CAN SEE, ITS SOME CLEVER PLOY TO HIRE THEIR OWN PEOPLE BACK UNDER WORSE TS AND CS , sorry of the caps, too tired to correct it now, Im not shouting, i just work in an LCC
Joined: Nov 2006
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From: At home
I’ve applied. Never worked there. I’ve not received a PFO yet. I asked when could one expect to find out about being invited for assessment and all I’ve been told is there are many applications that they are still working through and expect to hear back from them soon.
that was over a month ago 🤦🏽♂️
that was over a month ago 🤦🏽♂️
Joined: Jan 2008
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From: in geosynchronous orbit
18 years in commercial operations, plenty of current command time , over ten k on the bus, never stopped flying through the pandemic, current LPC/OPC and class one without restrictions, under 45 years of age, over 400 hours in the last year, uk passport holder, vaguely foreign sounding name , which should help with the pc brigade and i also was told to PFO, maybe i should've identified as trans or summfink ?
Joined: Mar 2019
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From: European riviera
I think the answer, ironically, is in the Wizzair thread. According to one poster, the vast majority of available positions have been filled by internal transfers, and the the various BA holding pools set up after BA made some pilots redundant, and put the 747 out of commission.
Joined: Jan 2008
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From: in geosynchronous orbit
yes, thats what i thought in all honesty, or suspected rather, I wasn't aware how many people were put in from internal transfer, numbers etc and I'm guessing by the law of the land, they must advertise the position to make it a fair competition, at least on paper, even if the result is well known in advance. oh well it would've been good to get back to blighty...even if it is Laaandon Gatters....some day maybe eh ?
Joined: Oct 2016
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From: UK
Guys/girls,
They pretty much had the airline filled barely halfway down the PRP list (e.g the list of 249 folk they sacked last year).
If there is any external recruitment it will be an absolute trickle to tick some HR box somewhere.
T's and C's are dire in in the context of what your colleagues are on to fly the same jets up the road but sadly as you've still got tens of thousands unemployed or on zero hours etc who would jump at it they aren't going to improve (ever, your BACC will see to that)
Cheers,
(Ex BA)
They pretty much had the airline filled barely halfway down the PRP list (e.g the list of 249 folk they sacked last year).
If there is any external recruitment it will be an absolute trickle to tick some HR box somewhere.
T's and C's are dire in in the context of what your colleagues are on to fly the same jets up the road but sadly as you've still got tens of thousands unemployed or on zero hours etc who would jump at it they aren't going to improve (ever, your BACC will see to that)
Cheers,
(Ex BA)
Joined: Jul 2009
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From: Earth
Perhaps the unemployed could find work elsewhere in other industries, then BA will have to improve the terms to attract the talent. People need to say NO to these companies offering poor terms and no retirement.
Joined: Mar 2019
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From: European riviera
Unfortunately COVID has turned the industry upside down, and most pilots have suffered. I’m therefore not surprised that BA have apparently had no issue crewing the new set up at Gatwick.
Joined: Aug 2015
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From: Oxfordshire