Wizzair
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Many people have, or are leaving aviation for previous or new professions. Flying offers such low salaries with no benefits. Some people have gone part-time flying with a second career or business.
It's perhaps time for people start to decline these interviews or job offers with Wizz, others and perhaps find something else that pays better with benefits like retirement in the mean time.
I would not recommend to anyone to spend the 120K on initial training and now some have to choose a U.K or EASA license ...
It's perhaps time for people start to decline these interviews or job offers with Wizz, others and perhaps find something else that pays better with benefits like retirement in the mean time.
I would not recommend to anyone to spend the 120K on initial training and now some have to choose a U.K or EASA license ...
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From: chances are, not at home
I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment, but can someone be a bit specific? Fag packet calculations for the pay all in; wizz UK look similar to easyJet (although it lacks the profit share/loyalty bonus), but in is favour, the charge for a rating doesnt take the **** like eJ does.
Only half a speed-brake
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WZZ always had a very fair TR scheme, somehow exposing the robbery happening elsewhere.
But it's not for charitable reasons. As well, to match the pilot market and UK living costs in absolute numbers, they do need to make the figures look relatable.
Of course the free-lunch phase ends right there. What follows has
- no union
- no working FRMS
- top-down approach to safety and HF
- no part-times
- no pension fund
- noticeably more demanding scheduling
- no favourable base transfers (out of North London area for a Brit, just do not exist)
- upgrade prospects only with a very far away placement
...
For the same work, responsibility and identical demand on professionalism.
Death by a thousand cuts or (90%)^8 = 43%, I can spin the numbers too.
But it's not for charitable reasons. As well, to match the pilot market and UK living costs in absolute numbers, they do need to make the figures look relatable.
Of course the free-lunch phase ends right there. What follows has
- no union
- no working FRMS
- top-down approach to safety and HF
- no part-times
- no pension fund
- noticeably more demanding scheduling
- no favourable base transfers (out of North London area for a Brit, just do not exist)
- upgrade prospects only with a very far away placement
...
For the same work, responsibility and identical demand on professionalism.
Death by a thousand cuts or (90%)^8 = 43%, I can spin the numbers too.
Last edited by FlightDetent; 15th January 2022 at 00:48.
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I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment, but can someone be a bit specific? Fag packet calculations for the pay all in; wizz UK look similar to easyJet (although it lacks the profit share/loyalty bonus), but in is favour, the charge for a rating doesnt take the **** like eJ does.
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From: chances are, not at home
Basic salary is irrelevant. Different companies slice it different ways, some more in basic, some more in flying pay. I'm interested in a captains P60 gross, for let's say 800 hours. My calcs were supported by an ex colleague who seemed to have reasonable pay at wizz (albeit several years ago). But no pension? I didn't realise that. And if the fixed roster is no more, then forget it.
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Basic salary is irrelevant. Different companies slice it different ways, some more in basic, some more in flying pay. I'm interested in a captains P60 gross, for let's say 800 hours. My calcs were supported by an ex colleague who seemed to have reasonable pay at wizz (albeit several years ago). But no pension? I didn't realise that. And if the fixed roster is no more, then forget it.
basic salary is very relevant. It for some reason you’re not able to run 800 hours a year you’d be significantly disadvantaged. As you get older you’ll realise it’s not for lack of good intentions you might be struggling to fly those numbers.
Ezy have fought to maintain a good basic salary which makes it’s a far superior contract to Wizz. On top of that someone made a nice list of why Ezy is the employer of choice. Try and see if someone here is willing to post some roster examples of how Wizz roster. That might help with the comparison.
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From: chances are, not at home
I know the package at easyJet very well, and I think it's overrated, especially for NTRDEC yr0. I did a very careful analysis and spoke to some eJ captains before declining it. Hell, even the roster you mention is beaten by Ryanair's 5/4. Yes, j2 did particularly well through covid with a good basic and deal, I'll grant you. But about Wizzair I know little - I had one report on the grapevine, (mildly positive but pre covid), though I suspect I'm better off where I am, even though I don't like it very much. Or join the great resignation mentioned above - I've pretty much had enough (I am old)!
Last edited by Joe le Taxi; 14th January 2022 at 20:01.
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I know the package at easyJet very well, and I think it's overrated, especially for NTRDEC yr0. I did a very careful analysis and spoke to some eJ captains before declining it. Hell, even the roster you mention is beaten by Ryanair's 5/4. Yes, j2 did particularly well through covid with a good basic and deal, I'll grant you. But about Wizzair I know little - I had one report on the grapevine, (mildly positive but pre covid), though I suspect I'm better off where I am, even though I don't like it very much. Or join the great resignation mentioned above - I've pretty much had enough (I am old)!
good luck with your search
Only half a speed-brake
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From: Commuting not home
Ain't it sad nobody needs to mention BA LGW DEC.
Even small salary differences can add to quite a lot. E.g. 8000 vs. 7200 net is only 10% less, not critical on the first glance.
But asumme fixed QoL costs of 4000: the lower paid job has saving potential of 3200. To match the missing 800 the difference is +25% which is well worth thinking about.
And if the better paying does with a higher basic to help bridge sickness and other rainy days (plus any pension contributions on top)...
Sure, for NTR within the first 3 or 5 years the total cashflow cannot be overlooked. And WZZ training delivers well.
Even small salary differences can add to quite a lot. E.g. 8000 vs. 7200 net is only 10% less, not critical on the first glance.
But asumme fixed QoL costs of 4000: the lower paid job has saving potential of 3200. To match the missing 800 the difference is +25% which is well worth thinking about.
And if the better paying does with a higher basic to help bridge sickness and other rainy days (plus any pension contributions on top)...
Sure, for NTR within the first 3 or 5 years the total cashflow cannot be overlooked. And WZZ training delivers well.
Last edited by FlightDetent; 15th January 2022 at 14:24.
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The BA LGW DEC turned down more applicants than it took in, as far as I know it turned down the majority of candidates, who are very experience, british nationals and have or are in the process of getting their UK national licences back. That job isn't what it appears, I don't even thing they will begin operations at all.
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Non Wizz related but referring to manflexsrsrwy’s post above there was an email update from the BACC yesterday. They’ve been able to crew most of it with internal bidders, CRS and the PRP meaning and I quote “external DEC recruitment will be minimal”.
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From: chances are, not at home
Thanks everyone. I've tended to enjoy companies which people love to hate, and hated the flying jobs which are regarded as the most desirable ... However, on pprune, with most airlines there's a spectrum of opinions, but on Wizzair, opinion seems unanimous (albeit still rather vague). I'll give it a swerve.
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Hi all there i was invite to an assessment on February 22nd, im worried because i have a latin american passport and i dont know if they can consider this for some AOC i also send mail clarifying this but actually i dont get any answerd.
is there someon in same case?
is there someon in same case?
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Hi all there i was invite to an assessment on February 22nd, im worried because i have a latin american passport and i dont know if they can consider this for some AOC i also send mail clarifying this but actually i dont get any answerd.
is there someon in same case?
is there someon in same case?
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Hi all,
I applied for TR FO position in the UK.
Is there anyone at the same process? Would like to learn how long it took to receive the invitation and if the assessments are in the UK or Budapest.
Cheers!
I applied for TR FO position in the UK.
Is there anyone at the same process? Would like to learn how long it took to receive the invitation and if the assessments are in the UK or Budapest.
Cheers!