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Old 18th Jun 2022, 18:26
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Originally Posted by Whitemonk Returns
5 years, wow, so which company are you Chief Pilot for at the moment?
Why so condescending?

This isnít talking about going into management or training.

Talking about SH flying. Specifically flying in Europe, yes itís busy in places but it is fairly easy. We donít get hurricanes, tornados, monsoons. ATC is generally very good, few places can be difficult. Yes you can make it more challenging, depending on what your airline allows, raw data ILS, NDB, VOR etc youíre still only getting experience within 5-6hrs from Central Europe. The best captains I have learnt from are guys/gals that have flown in other parts of the world.
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Old 20th Jun 2022, 12:02
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I'm assuming the banter tennis is because the interviews haven't started yet.....
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Old 1st Jul 2022, 14:02
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Has anyone else applied with an EASA license?

I have applied for a UK CAA license but still waiting for it 2 months later. I included this in my application, I hope it will be accepted, anyone able to advise?
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Old 1st Jul 2022, 14:04
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Anyone heard anything yet?
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Old 1st Jul 2022, 14:12
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Originally Posted by santacruz
Anyone heard anything yet?
Nope, applied they day it opened and still nothing. Anyone else?
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Old 1st Jul 2022, 14:23
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All quiet.
I've heard that there have been over 7000 applications. +4000 have EASA licences. These numbers will include various experience and levels of currency.
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Old 1st Jul 2022, 14:37
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Have you also heard that the contract offered, including to the 102 that were laid off, but would be invited back, is only part year? However, no reduction in yearly hours limitÖ. Not quite as good as it seems.

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Old 1st Jul 2022, 14:51
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Originally Posted by PAPI-74
All quiet.
I've heard that there have been over 7000 applications. +4000 have EASA licences. These numbers will include various experience and levels of currency.
I imagine large numbers of EU citizens without the right to work in the UK have applied, removing all of these I imagine (hope) that number comes down quite rapidly
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Old 1st Jul 2022, 16:43
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Many disillusioned/worried TUI pilots by the sound of it😎
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Old 1st Jul 2022, 16:52
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Again, this is word of mouth, but 70% for the first year (full time Summer, 50% Winter) and 100% year 2.
There is a good chance recruitment will be onto the 737 (bonded) then in the queue for Airbus. Without confirmation from J2, all this is speculation.
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Old 1st Jul 2022, 20:15
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Originally Posted by PAPI-74
Again, this is word of mouth, but 70% for the first year (full time Summer, 50% Winter) and 100% year 2.
There is a good chance recruitment will be onto the 737 (bonded) then in the queue for Airbus. Without confirmation from J2, all this is speculation.
I genuinely don't know what had been offered this time round but the quote above has historically been for non jet rated pilots, jet pilots usually got offered 100% from day one but we live in different times now.

Also worth mentioning re the comment above with no reduction in yearly hours for 70%....

This isn't RYR, there isn't a pilot in the history of Jet2 who has ever come close to 900 hours in a calender year, id wager a fair wad of cash that the number of guys who have flown over 750 is in single digits.

I know some recruitment has started as I heard some interviews were happening last week
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 16:45
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Apprentice interviews have started
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Old 28th Jul 2022, 09:15
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Well?

Anyone at J2 care to pitch in:

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-b2132993.html
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Old 28th Jul 2022, 09:26
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123
Well?

Anyone at J2 care to pitch in:

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-b2132993.html
Not sure the fight forum. Should be moved to main Jet2 in Misc🤨
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Old 28th Jul 2022, 10:02
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Probably is the right forum as it’s of interest to people applying for jobs, although tbh I expect most out of work pilots would sign a contract with the devil at the moment, especially if they’re not type rated.

Before I start I will just say that 1. Jet2 have a social media policy which says that employees shouldn’t mention that they work there on social media and 2. I’m a member of BALPA. That’s important because this story in the independent had almost certainly come from BALPA. For those that don’t know BALPA only have recognition at J2 because they went to ACAS when the company refused to recognise them. There has been a continual battle since as the company will only negotiate on the absolute minimum things which they have to, and refuse to enter into discussions about rostering. This stance seems to be to the advantage of the pilots in some ways, as the company generally gives fairly generous pay increases very early in the negotiating process so that BALPA can’t claim to have negotiated it.

The rostering /fatigue issues are a different subject and my experience will be different to others and will depend on seat and base. But my experience this summer is that, if I worked for them, apart from a period of disruption for a few weeks in May / June is that it’s no better or worse than any of the six other airlines I’ve worked for. If I have concerns about discretion I can call crewing and refuse to work into it which I have done, and had no comeback. I’ve submitted a future fatigue report once this summer and my roster was changed as a result and the only communication was the roster change and an email from crewing saying that they agreed with my concerns. We had an email from BALPA a couple of days ago saying that some of the problems had been caused by inexperienced crewing officers, and I suspect that is true, a few times I’ve spoken to them and had to quote the rules of the crewing agreement, but I’ve done that and spoken to crewing supervisors and problems ha e been sorted. Just like other places I’ve worked.

At some point someone is going to come on here and go on about me drinking “the company cool aid”. As a general principle I would like to see more cooperation with the union, but bearing in mind what this thread is about I’m prepared to put up with it this summer because of the unusual world events of the last two years.
and the bad news for some people reading this is that crew gossip says there were 4000 applications for approximately 100 DEP positions, so it looks like plenty of other people will put up with it too.
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Old 28th Jul 2022, 12:33
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Originally Posted by midnight cruiser
All balpa would like to do at jet2 given free reign, as is their peculiar blinkered mindset, is to implant an anachronistic seniority list (to the detriment of the pilots as a whole), and naff all else. That the toxic tentacles of balpa haven't made their way far into jet2 is a major plus in its favour.
They have never or tried to do that at EZY. BALPA played a massive role in preventing a lot of pilots being made redundant at EZY, we were probably one of a minority who didnít have any pilot redundancies,
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Old 28th Jul 2022, 13:32
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Originally Posted by midnight cruiser
The balpa capitulation to airline managements to avoid redundancies at all costs (very considerable costs to the long term pay benchmark) was one of their most lamentable recent legacies IMO, which strangely enough, airlines are reluctant to unwind. Will most pilots quit at the sub par pay? - No, because they don't want to lose their seniority and start again. Any wonder therefore, that in this respect, jet2 can hold it's head high. And a balpa NO easyJet pilot seemed remarkably fond of seniority lists, pretty much to the exclusion of all else, when guiding a naÔve bunch of CCs at another airline.
Last year every EZY pilot was offered their original full time contract back as promised. Many skippers including myself actually enjoyed the part time lifestyle and elected to remain on it. Our terms and conditions were never touchedÖthey did try, but membership in BALPA grew to its highest level and surpassed BA in numbers I believe and fought off PB who has recently left to spend more time with his family.

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Old 28th Jul 2022, 17:45
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On what planet do you have to live to believe that having next to no union recognition is better than having a strong union?

Delusional.
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Old 29th Jul 2022, 12:17
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Any rated Captains had a call for assessment yet?
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Old 29th Jul 2022, 13:09
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Originally Posted by YosserHughes
Any rated Captains had a call for assessment yet?
Galley FM says they're concentrating on FO's first
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