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Old 4th Jun 2022, 16:27
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Originally Posted by Whitemonk Returns View Post
Random roster, ex RYR people tend to hate that part but I would hate their roster so it's horses for courses.
You hate 4 days off every week all through the summer?

takes all sorts I guess
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Old 4th Jun 2022, 17:10
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Originally Posted by DonTrumpet2020 View Post
From picture in post number 99 do they recruit FO’s direct onto the SFO scale if they have experience?
If not, can a regular FO be promoted to Commander 6 months after final line check once they meet other requirements?
For STN base is there any living in london allowance?
No
Yes
No

apparently my reply was too short
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Old 4th Jun 2022, 17:30
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You hate 4 days off every week all through the summer
Yes when it comes at the expense of 5 long assed 4 sector days. And, if you aren’t based where you live it’s a 7 on 2 off pattern

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Old 4th Jun 2022, 17:41
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Yes when it comes at the expense of 5 long added 4 sector days. And, if you aren’t based where you live it’s a 7 on 2 off pattern
Ah ok, Jet2 base everybody where they live, that's brilliant.
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Old 4th Jun 2022, 17:44
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Ah ok, Jet2 base everybody where they live, that's brilliant
I didn’t say that. However, Jet2 will do their utmost to get you to your base of choice as soon as is possible with a very transparent base transfer system.
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Old 4th Jun 2022, 19:05
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Originally Posted by Johnny [email protected] Pants View Post
I didn’t say that. However, Jet2 will do their utmost to get you to your base of choice as soon as is possible with a very transparent base transfer system.

Who are you trying to kid.
Rubbish, I know of many FR crew over the last 10 years or so, that complain about base transfers. The talk about rosters of FR and five day 4 sector days, are so far away from reality. Don't see much about the days at Jet2 on airport standby, sat in uniform in a crew room for endless hours, has that finished? don't think so.
The Ryan 5 on 4 off is a brilliant roster. Looking at their bases and flights from the outside and the extrapolating duty hours you can clearly see it's a winner in anyones book. Do the maths!

I can understand members coming on here and sticking up for their respective employers but let's not sugar coat everything. What I see is clear misinformation spread by posters. Have to say in particular, the threads on Jet2.
Can we have more balanced and reasonable posts, please.

All companies have issues, but let's try and portray a more realistic approach of information to potential candidates entering into aviation or others looking to move new pastures. Yes, they are not always as green as portrayed on this site. Be warned!

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Old 4th Jun 2022, 19:33
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Originally Posted by rotorwills View Post
Who are you trying to kid.
Rubbish, I know of many FR crew over the last 10 years or so, that complain about base transfers. The talk about rosters of FR and five day 4 sector days, are so far away from reality. Don't see much about the days at Jet2 on airport standby, sat in uniform in a crew room for endless hours, has that finished? don't think so.
The Ryan 5 on 4 off is a brilliant roster. Looking at their bases and flights from the outside and the extrapolating duty hours you can clearly see it's a winner in anyones book. Do the maths!

I can understand members coming on here and sticking up for their respective employers but let's not sugar coat everything. What I see is clear misinformation spread by posters. Have to say in particular, the threads on Jet2.
Can we have more balanced and reasonable posts, please.

All companies have issues, but let's try and portray a more realistic approach of information to potential candidates entering into aviation or others looking to move new pastures. Yes, they are not always as green as portrayed on this site. Be warned!
You responded to what I think was my balanced take that I personally don't like the RYR roster hence why I don't work there but that I understand it suits others with your argumentative posts. If the 5/4 at RYR was so fantastic we would all be clamouring to work there... But we are not. You were probably one of the ones telling everyone who could listen that those multi year pay cuts you all got were for the benefit of the pilots. Yeah right dude they are selling bridges down by the TUI ticket sales desks.

Anyway, back on topic I would like to throw Rotor and his mate a bone and dispel one myth about Jet2 that has always bothered me. This 6 month to command thing is probably the biggest issue with new joiners falling out with the company after they have joined. Let me dispel it, it will not happen. Let me play it out:

You apply tomorrow June 22 and are successful and are offered the first course October 22. You are two months going through ground school and simulator training, add another two months if NTR. Now you need a security pass... Have you seen the news? OK it's gone well for you and you have your training complete and pass in hand ready for line training in February, oh but there are not many flights until March/April, have a couple of weeks off. You get your FLC passed May 1st. Now you wait 6 months to put in your command application, it's November 1st 2022. That takes a month to process and now you need a three day CPC course, but it's Christmas and the next one is February 2023. You get on it and it goes well, great, Command Assessment in March, you pass, we'll done again now you go into the hold pool which is not seniority based but done by date of joining. So you are last in the pool in April. Email comes out, summer is going to be really busy we need all hands on deck, no upgrades until after the summer season. OK fair enough at least you are in the pool, top of the list starts to get courses in October, but you want to be based in Belfast, or Manchester or Birmingham? No problem, but we have a course for you in January to be based in Glasgow and we will try and get you back to your choice ASAP (and to be fair to them, they will). So now you have a choice to make. You take the command course in January and your FLC is passed in late March 2024, congratulations your based in Glasgow until March 2025. This is not a fantasy scenario, I know people in this situation who have been with the company years.

Oh, now imagine your initial course isn't in October 22 it's in April 23.

Oh and the Covid Monkeypox strain is hiding behind those TUI check in desks along with Rotors bridges...

Jokes aside, it is a good job, probably the best one going in the UK right now, but nowhere is perfect so if you can survive the above then you should apply. Best of luck.
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Old 5th Jun 2022, 10:48
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Originally Posted by Whitemonk Returns View Post
You apply tomorrow June 22 and are successful and are offered the first course October 22. You are two months going through ground school and simulator training, add another two months if NTR. Now you need a security pass... Have you seen the news? OK it's gone well for you and you have your training complete and pass in hand ready for line training in February, oh but there are not many flights until March/April, have a couple of weeks off. You get your FLC passed May 1st. Now you wait 6 months to put in your command application, it's November 1st 2022. That takes a month to process and now you need a three day CPC course, but it's Christmas and the next one is February 2023. You get on it and it goes well, great, Command Assessment in March, you pass, we'll done again now you go into the hold pool which is not seniority based but done by date of joining. So you are last in the pool in April. Email comes out, summer is going to be really busy we need all hands on deck, no upgrades until after the summer season. OK fair enough at least you are in the pool, top of the list starts to get courses in October, but you want to be based in Belfast, or Manchester or Birmingham? No problem, but we have a course for you in January to be based in Glasgow and we will try and get you back to your choice ASAP (and to be fair to them, they will). So now you have a choice to make. You take the command course in January and your FLC is passed in late March 2024, congratulations your based in Glasgow until March 2025. This is not a fantasy scenario, I know people in this situation who have been with the company years.

Oh, now imagine your initial course isn't in October 22 it's in April 23.

I think you have the dates mixed up a bit,
Joining OCC Course October 2022,
Final Line Check 1st May 2023,
6 months, 1st November 2023
CPC Course February 2024
Command Course January 2025
Final Line Check March 2025.

At the moment 3 years ish. Considering the last 2 years is not too bad and par for the course. I am pretty sure it will be similar in the blue yellow airline as well.


The best advice this old geezer can give to any potential FO's out there, whatever company you wish to work for is this. The best route to command is to stay with one company, sometimes life is not ideal, but chopping and changing jobs puts you down the list, regardless of the company's system.
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Old 5th Jun 2022, 19:09
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Originally Posted by Brian Pern View Post
I think you have the dates mixed up a bit,
Joining OCC Course October 2022,
Final Line Check 1st May 2023,
6 months, 1st November 2023
CPC Course February 2024
Command Course January 2025
Final Line Check March 2025.

At the moment 3 years ish. Considering the last 2 years is not too bad and par for the course. I am pretty sure it will be similar in the blue yellow airline as well.


The best advice this old geezer can give to any potential FO's out there, whatever company you wish to work for is this. The best route to command is to stay with one company, sometimes life is not ideal, but chopping and changing jobs puts you down the list, regardless of the company's system.
You are correct my 2023 was a bit of an epic year 😅👍
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Old 6th Jun 2022, 10:22
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Might all be academic for most of us anyway, given the website crashed when it opened up & there are rumours of 2000 people applying in the first 2days.


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Old 6th Jun 2022, 10:33
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Not surprising, especially as the floodgates have been opened to NTR as well as TR.

I must admit, it does make TUI UK’s recent ad for temporary summer contracts + £7000 salary deduction for the OCC look a bit parsimonious..
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Old 7th Jun 2022, 13:59
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Originally Posted by Alrosa View Post
Not surprising, especially as the floodgates have been opened to NTR as well as TR.

I must admit, it does make TUI UK’s recent ad for temporary summer contracts + £7000 salary deduction for the OCC look a bit parsimonious..
Was very surprised they opened to NTR people, but according to a friend the type rating is not the deciding factor.
Have no idea how accurate that is, but the fact they opened to NTR, when they would of known they could get all the TR people they wanted. Kind of lends some credibility to the statement.
I guess we will find out soon enough
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Old 7th Jun 2022, 14:22
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They prefer the “right people” wether they are type rated or not.
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Old 8th Jun 2022, 17:02
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They prefer the “right people” wether they are type rated or not.
That's what I'm hoping...
I have previous experience on the 737 & 757, but I'm not current and my type rating on both has expired as haven't flown either in over a decade 😬
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Old 10th Jun 2022, 13:33
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Assessment feedback

Hi guys,

good to see this chat blowing up and active. I'm applying as direct entry rated 737 FO, does anyone have more information to how this will be and stages explained please. More importantly any online prep you recommend please. From my understanding the last guys passed this assessment was in 2019. Would like to hear from you guys via dm or here. Thank you
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I'm applying as DEC and would also appreciate any tips regarding how best to prepare for the assessment. On here or PM is fine. TIA!
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Old 11th Jun 2022, 11:33
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Originally Posted by Fudgelover View Post
Hi guys,

good to see this chat blowing up and active. I'm applying as direct entry rated 737 FO, does anyone have more information to how this will be and stages explained please. More importantly any online prep you recommend please. From my understanding the last guys passed this assessment was in 2019. Would like to hear from you guys via dm or here. Thank you
There is no specific preparation required other than standard interview prep you would expect, what do you know about the fleet, company, bases etc

There are the standard psychometric tests prior to interview and while I don't know much about them I get the impression you just have to pass them and I have heard of good candidates being asked to retake them after the interview if they messed them up.

Group exercise and an interview with a two pilot panel, (tell us about a time when...) if you pass that you go to the sim. That's it, fairly straight forward.
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Old 11th Jun 2022, 15:32
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Any bickering and member-waving about who's employer is best is pointless. It's all subjective, and depends on your goals and circumstances.

I've worked for a few of the world's major airlines. They all had better perks and pay than Jet2. But they didn't have the same happy atmosphere that Jet2 does on your typical little sortie taking the Smith family to Greece for their holidays. I guess you need to work out what's most important to you as an individual at this stage of your life: Money, fixed rosters, big shiny widebodies, or a happy day at work? It isn't the 60s and Pan Am doesn't exist anymore, so you can't have your AOC cake and eat it.

PS Whitemonk has called it right on the six months to command issue... It takes time to get through the system so don't take it as a given. You'll only end up disappointed.
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Old 14th Jun 2022, 07:13
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All Jet2 pilots waking up happy this morning, 1% additional end of season pay rise replaced with 4% from next month plus £1000 thank you to all colleagues.

Total pay rise for 2022 now 8% plus £1000. If SH was a politician he would have my vote
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Great news white monk.

Has anyone who applied heard anything yet?
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