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Old 9th Mar 2023, 11:54
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Updated terms and cond.

5.5k summer + 50 BH +80 per day on.
5k winter same as above
game changer.. maybe not but better than a poke in the eye for some
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Old 9th Mar 2023, 17:14
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Originally Posted by Wingsoffury View Post
5.5k summer + 50 BH +80 per day on.
5k winter same as above
game changer.. maybe not but better than a poke in the eye… for some
It is getting better for sure but not enough. Considering and knowing these numbers are gross Captain on the top of the scale should made around 14K so he can bring home around 8K after tax. So imagine the money saved by those companies.

ACMI's nowadays lacking significant amount of pilots. Only way to cover their operations for the summer to increase the salaries but in long term change their mentality toward their flight crew. Many people already escaped from those companies for last couple of months. Many of them opt for lower salaries but stable companies where they have certain income all year around with legal local contracts. Some of them still stays no matter what but each of them have different circumstances and reasons to do so.
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Old 9th Mar 2023, 23:05
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The +80 € is for a ground training / SIM / e-learning day, not all of the duty, right? OTOH there's 5k EUR summer bonus if a pilot stays over the full summer season and contributin to LoL from the second year onwards.

The above as per my latest SIGMA leaflet.
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Old 10th Mar 2023, 01:41
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The 80 says its day on duty? And this is the day on duty definition:

Day on duty* stands for day on duty and includes flying duty, standby duty, OFF/B, training day on base.

so is it included?
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Old 10th Mar 2023, 05:13
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Your eyesight better sir! that's around +12*80 = 960 EUR/m? Covers some of the taxes...

EDIT: nope.

80/day is before going solo when away from home (and 50/day for CBT). During the full pay period, this allowance does not apply. Anyone hear different?

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Old 19th Mar 2023, 13:49
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Originally Posted by FlightDetent View Post
Your eyesight better sir! that's around +12*80 = 960 EUR/m? Covers some of the taxes...

EDIT: nope.

80/day is before going solo when away from home (and 50/day for CBT). During the full pay period, this allowance does not apply. Anyone hear different?
Right, no 80 Euros when on the line.
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Old 21st Mar 2023, 17:46
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I am having an Online assessment in the coming weeks, and I would appreciate any useful feedback please! I ve heared that Pilotassessment is not enough for the ATPL, is that true? it has been long time since i ve got my ATPL, and i am a bit worried if I have to redo AE, no time I have to pass through avex again a look after questions.
I am very grateful if someone passed the assessment, please ! For the position NTR applied via a known ATO. thnx
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Old 30th Mar 2023, 11:14
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Originally Posted by reverse21 View Post
Any non type rated cadet applied for this offer paying 800 bucks via a very well known ATO?
Hey I applied via a known ATO, 800 bucks as well! still waiting for the date.

I am wondering, if you have passed it, can you get me some feedback about the Technical part please? i heared it is all taken from Aviation exam! any confirmation please? thank you so much !
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Old 1st Apr 2023, 11:50
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Hello guys, your kind recommendation,
Avion Express, or Smartlynx ?
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Old 1st Apr 2023, 11:54
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Originally Posted by MD83FO View Post
Hello guys, your kind recommendation,
Avion Express, or Smartlynx ?
none of them, stay away if you care for your well being.
​​​​​If you really want to make a choice I had far more negative talks about Smartlynx with colleagues than about Avion. My 2 cents
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Old 1st Apr 2023, 12:00
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Originally Posted by pilotnojob08 View Post
Thank you I will have the assessments in 2 weeks for a NTR pilots with no experience and is my best shot to get a job.

I studied already Fast track atpl question Im reading ACE to prepare for the interview.

Thank once again for the reply
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did you pass the assessment ? Is it enough the fast trak + Pilotassessment ? I ve heard that the ATPL questions are similar to Aviation exam, could you please give me a feedback ? I really appreciate it !! thank you so much
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Somehow both AvEx and SLX have managed to convince the authorities they they should be allowed to hire South American pilots (ICAO license holders) to fly on a European AOC. They will get a temporary validation. The shortage is real. So real in fact that I just received an email from an agency offering Captain positions at Volotea with a 10k starting bonus plus another 10k contract completion bonus.
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Somehow both AvEx and SLX have managed to convince the authorities they they should be allowed to hire South American pilots (ICAO license holders) to fly on a European AOC. They will get a temporary validation. The shortage is real. So real in fact that I just received an email from an agency offering Captain positions at Volotea with a 10k starting bonus plus another 10k contract completion bonus.
I was asking for sometime how come they can hire ICAO pilots. I think not only South Americans but any ICAO licence holder. About shortage, I am not sure. But for sure these two companies did not want to increase the salaries so they were limited with the people applied to them with EASA licence. Instead of offering higher packages they decide to seek for pilots who can accept this conditions. I think this is more about the case than we having shortage of pilot in EU.
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Fake News

I consider it very dirty that AVION is building its recruitment campaign on lies and fake news. All of its recruitment agencies like Winget aviation, F2R, SGaviation services, etc. they mention 90 h on average for the summer season which is a pure lie!


It's a pure HOOK the figures they present !


You are going to fly less than 60 h / month during the summer season and less than 20 h per month during the winter.


400 h Max / Year for FOs. Captains and especially LTC they will fly more.


The truth is: you will fly less than 60 h on average during the summer so... 35 E/ hour for FOs [above 1000 BH on A320, otherwise 30 E/ hour)] * 60 = 2100 E or 1800 E (when below 1000 BH on type: 30 * 60= 1800). That will be the flight pay.


So calculate 400 h per year * 35 E or 30 E = 14 K and 12 K respectively gross. Now add the improved basic salary for the summer and for the winter season to have a realistic figure. Remember that is gross ! Everything is on you!


if you declare taxes and you don't hide your income subtract, depending on where your residence is, Minimum 15 K for FOs.


They try with lies and fake news to boost their recruitment campaign.

Bravo AVION... continue like this...What is coming next ? To hire pilots with experience only on Microsoft Flight Sim ?


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Old 14th Apr 2023, 09:46
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A friend of me in Avion has just told me that they've received an email with a further increase and a change in payment structure. From May base salary will be 5.5k/6k/10k for FO/SFO/CAP and on top of that 10/20 FO/CAP per flown block hour. Winter it's 3k/3.5k/5k plus same hourly rate. All figures gross of course. It seems they are losing more people that they can afford to lose. Maybe they should ask why and think about some organizational changes, there are things you can't buy with money.
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Originally Posted by OSTRIA
I consider it very dirty that AVION is building its recruitment campaign on lies and fake news. All of its recruitment agencies like Winget aviation, F2R, SGaviation services, etc. they mention 90 h on average for the summer season which is a pure lie!


It's a pure HOOK the figures they present !


You are going to fly less than 60 h / month during the summer season and less than 20 h per month during the winter.


400 h Max / Year for FOs. Captains and especially LTC they will fly more.


The truth is: you will fly less than 60 h on average during the summer so... 35 E/ hour for FOs [above 1000 BH on A320, otherwise 30 E/ hour)] * 60 = 2100 E or 1800 E (when below 1000 BH on type: 30 * 60= 1800). That will be the flight pay.


So calculate 400 h per year * 35 E or 30 E = 14 K and 12 K respectively gross. Now add the improved basic salary for the summer and for the winter season to have a realistic figure. Remember that is gross ! Everything is on you!


if you declare taxes and you don't hide your income subtract, depending on where your residence is, Minimum 15 K for FOs.


They try with lies and fake news to boost their recruitment campaign.

Bravo AVION... continue like this...What is coming next ? To hire pilots with experience only on Microsoft Flight Sim ?
95 hours next month, ~50-60 this one ( starting the season many training flights and safety pilot)
90 hours the buddy that was sitting next to me
Another 2 guys with 85 sharing the table
About captains, a couple of 70ish hour sitting around as well and 80 the one I flew with today.

They didn't hire you by any chance? I get your bad blood but... Literally not true what you're saying.
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Old 19th Apr 2023, 04:37
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@ WhatShortage

All the friends I have, who are flying for Avion, have interviews with other companies or they have jumped boat already, especially after legacy airlines open recruitment again !

Can you upload your roster as well as your "friends" roster ? it would be fun..!

...and please tell me, explain why the company is looking so desperately -non stop- for pilots all year round and now even accepting all ICAO licenses ? Which other serious company hires with 100 h on type ?

Maybe you are not aware of the serious incidents that are happening in Avion ? For example... in summer 2022 (SAFETY ALERT FLT-04/22, dated July 13th 2022): aircraft was cruising at FL360 with CI 100, airspeed approached MMO when the PIC (PM at the time) "took control" and disconnected A/THR by bringing the THR levers to idle, shortly afterwards he also disconnected the AP and started to climb while the OVERSPEED WARNING was triggered !

Now the most interesting part: .....Maximum rate of climb +4529 fpm with a positive acceleration 1.43 G followed by -0.57 G. Airplane reached 37.476 feet !

Level bust by 1476 feet in RVSM airspace ! I hope you understand 'WhatShortage' what RVSM is and don't have me to explain- elaborate further !

That is the level of pilots flying for Avion !! Now its even worst since the aviation market is opening up again.

The next time "my friend" I will give you examples from the SIM sessions where Eurowings pilots were present and couldn't believe their eyes (failures of both Captains and FOs).

Guess what...? All the failures- substandard and incompetent pilots- continue flying with Avion Express but in other operations - projects (not Eurowings of course) in SQD (Sky Cana), AYT (SunExpress), LGW (TUI and easyJet), VNO (tour operators) etc.


Me hot blooded ? NO, I am very happy where I am !


AVION is taking now all the "left overs"....of pilots !

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Old 19th Apr 2023, 13:17
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Red face Safety

I think its getting more dangerous in aviation .........
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Old 22nd Apr 2023, 18:54
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Correct

Total crap these days .Ostria and Austrian are correct. Strange Avion still recruiting dont you think, all the decent carriers have finished . Seriously have to recommend to friends and family whom to fly with these days when going on trips . Glad I had my best years with professional carriers, certainly not a career would currently recommend .
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Old 23rd Apr 2023, 18:35
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Nothing surprises me with this lot. Unbelievable , plus totally crappy recruitment agencies . There is a shortage correct , but decent Airlines have no problem recruiting at all.
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