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Originally Posted by WhatShortage
Cut-e or AON test, many examples on YouTube, very basic and as every other airline except lufthansa group ( won't get into that kind of astronaut assessment).
Technical if you're fresh from school should be fine, atpl in general. Normal interview about what you've done weaknesses strong.. Quite basic.
Everything is straightforward, if you're fine you'll get in. If you're below average odds are you won't pass.
They prefer either type rated with hours or no type, as they get the most profit out of those. Type with no hours = expensive training.
Technical if you're fresh from school should be fine, atpl in general. Normal interview about what you've done weaknesses strong.. Quite basic.
Everything is straightforward, if you're fine you'll get in. If you're below average odds are you won't pass.
They prefer either type rated with hours or no type, as they get the most profit out of those. Type with no hours = expensive training.
Thank you I will have the assessments in 2 weeks for a NTR pilots with no experience and is my best shot to get a job.
I studied already Fast track atpl question I´m reading ACE to prepare for the interview.
Thank once again for the reply
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Originally Posted by reverse21
Hi pilotnojob08!
As stated by WhatShortage first email you will receive is a scandlearn link with the psychometric tests. I don't know if you applied for the are Lingus fist officer position, but the CUT -E I bought for that assessment was perfectly fine for the Avion Express test. I would highly recommend you to practice all the tests from pilotassesments.com except the tunnel and the multitasking with listening.
You will be told to follow the tests in order while in a teams session with an Avion Express manager with many other candidates. Of course they insist that the webcams must be on all the time. Once everybody is ready, mics muted and you will be told to start with the technical part. In my personal case was the ATPL theory which I studied with pilotassesments.com and fast-track atpl (the 500 need to know questions). More or less I would say is just enough. Time is given 40 mins for 60 questions I would say but can't remember well.
There are a ton of tests so, just breathe, take time and read carefully everything.
There are some comprehension tests including where you must read a text and select the correct option from those give. A personality test too, where you must chose if you agree or disagree with the statements give. They offer you to choose your native language. There are many maths exercises where 6 businesses were given with different benefits in different years and you must get the percentages, shares, etc
And pretty much that's all. After you pass this part, you will be given an email asking for a day that suits you for the interview with the company psychologist. Different type os questions will be asked regarding to your personality test, your CV, what you're actually doing, emergencies had and how you solved them, any problems with subjects, the worst part of the learning process, etc...
After the company psychologist, it arrives an email for the HR team interview.
After that it comes the SIM and if everything goes well, you're inn.
I hope to have helped you a bit with this process. I understand your point, there is no much information about it on the net. Don't hesitate to reply to the thread in case you need any more information.
I wish you the best of luck!!
As stated by WhatShortage first email you will receive is a scandlearn link with the psychometric tests. I don't know if you applied for the are Lingus fist officer position, but the CUT -E I bought for that assessment was perfectly fine for the Avion Express test. I would highly recommend you to practice all the tests from pilotassesments.com except the tunnel and the multitasking with listening.
You will be told to follow the tests in order while in a teams session with an Avion Express manager with many other candidates. Of course they insist that the webcams must be on all the time. Once everybody is ready, mics muted and you will be told to start with the technical part. In my personal case was the ATPL theory which I studied with pilotassesments.com and fast-track atpl (the 500 need to know questions). More or less I would say is just enough. Time is given 40 mins for 60 questions I would say but can't remember well.
There are a ton of tests so, just breathe, take time and read carefully everything.
There are some comprehension tests including where you must read a text and select the correct option from those give. A personality test too, where you must chose if you agree or disagree with the statements give. They offer you to choose your native language. There are many maths exercises where 6 businesses were given with different benefits in different years and you must get the percentages, shares, etc
And pretty much that's all. After you pass this part, you will be given an email asking for a day that suits you for the interview with the company psychologist. Different type os questions will be asked regarding to your personality test, your CV, what you're actually doing, emergencies had and how you solved them, any problems with subjects, the worst part of the learning process, etc...
After the company psychologist, it arrives an email for the HR team interview.
After that it comes the SIM and if everything goes well, you're inn.
I hope to have helped you a bit with this process. I understand your point, there is no much information about it on the net. Don't hesitate to reply to the thread in case you need any more information.
I wish you the best of luck!!
I didn´t do the assessments for Aero Lingus because I was close to entry in another company but in the last interview I didn´t make but I´m studying ATPL question for fast and track questions since november and reading the ACE.
1- I am quite prepare for that part and I will study for pilotassessments.com ( do you think Aer Lingus pilot assessment is the best one?)
2- Psychometric tests, the AerLingus is fine?
3- When you did your assessment?
4- So 1st i will do the psychometric tests and if i pass i will do the others?
I dont know if i can contact you in private so i can ask some doubts
Thank you in advance.
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Originally Posted by reverse21
Hi pilotnojob08!
As stated by WhatShortage first email you will receive is a scandlearn link with the psychometric tests. I don't know if you applied for the are Lingus fist officer position, but the CUT -E I bought for that assessment was perfectly fine for the Avion Express test. I would highly recommend you to practice all the tests from pilotassesments.com except the tunnel and the multitasking with listening.
You will be told to follow the tests in order while in a teams session with an Avion Express manager with many other candidates. Of course they insist that the webcams must be on all the time. Once everybody is ready, mics muted and you will be told to start with the technical part. In my personal case was the ATPL theory which I studied with pilotassesments.com and fast-track atpl (the 500 need to know questions). More or less I would say is just enough. Time is given 40 mins for 60 questions I would say but can't remember well.
There are a ton of tests so, just breathe, take time and read carefully everything.
There are some comprehension tests including where you must read a text and select the correct option from those give. A personality test too, where you must chose if you agree or disagree with the statements give. They offer you to choose your native language. There are many maths exercises where 6 businesses were given with different benefits in different years and you must get the percentages, shares, etc
And pretty much that's all. After you pass this part, you will be given an email asking for a day that suits you for the interview with the company psychologist. Different type os questions will be asked regarding to your personality test, your CV, what you're actually doing, emergencies had and how you solved them, any problems with subjects, the worst part of the learning process, etc...
After the company psychologist, it arrives an email for the HR team interview.
After that it comes the SIM and if everything goes well, you're inn.
I hope to have helped you a bit with this process. I understand your point, there is no much information about it on the net. Don't hesitate to reply to the thread in case you need any more information.
I wish you the best of luck!!
As stated by WhatShortage first email you will receive is a scandlearn link with the psychometric tests. I don't know if you applied for the are Lingus fist officer position, but the CUT -E I bought for that assessment was perfectly fine for the Avion Express test. I would highly recommend you to practice all the tests from pilotassesments.com except the tunnel and the multitasking with listening.
You will be told to follow the tests in order while in a teams session with an Avion Express manager with many other candidates. Of course they insist that the webcams must be on all the time. Once everybody is ready, mics muted and you will be told to start with the technical part. In my personal case was the ATPL theory which I studied with pilotassesments.com and fast-track atpl (the 500 need to know questions). More or less I would say is just enough. Time is given 40 mins for 60 questions I would say but can't remember well.
There are a ton of tests so, just breathe, take time and read carefully everything.
There are some comprehension tests including where you must read a text and select the correct option from those give. A personality test too, where you must chose if you agree or disagree with the statements give. They offer you to choose your native language. There are many maths exercises where 6 businesses were given with different benefits in different years and you must get the percentages, shares, etc
And pretty much that's all. After you pass this part, you will be given an email asking for a day that suits you for the interview with the company psychologist. Different type os questions will be asked regarding to your personality test, your CV, what you're actually doing, emergencies had and how you solved them, any problems with subjects, the worst part of the learning process, etc...
After the company psychologist, it arrives an email for the HR team interview.
After that it comes the SIM and if everything goes well, you're inn.
I hope to have helped you a bit with this process. I understand your point, there is no much information about it on the net. Don't hesitate to reply to the thread in case you need any more information.
I wish you the best of luck!!
Many thanks for your very useful hints. Is the breakdown you reported valid for TR and NTR ? Do the TR candidates have both ATPL and Airbus questions ?
thanks again!
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Estimated yearly income for Captains is 100K and for First Officers 60K or more…and much more...
Sure…
Reminds me a cheap advertising commercial.
If someone has the very basic skills that a commercial pilot should have i.e analytical thinking, can type some numbers taking into account that you won’t fly more than 400-450 h/ year for FOs and 600 h/year for the captains (LTC captains) and you will end up with a 43 K MAX GROSS figure for FOs which mean 17 K less from what it is advertised (also taxes and social insurance is on you which mean NET 28K / 43-15=28K) and 20-25 K less from what it is advertised for the Captains (around 75K gross).
AVION Express is ACMI company… you won’t fly 830 h/ year. Based on 830 h/ year the figures 100K and 60K are coming from. It’s not WIZZ nor a scheduled flag carrier.
You will be very lucky If you fly 500 h/year (20h/month X 5 months during the winter period and on average 57 h/ month during the summer season X 7 months). Most of my friends there they fly on average 400 h/ year.
60K and 100K is just a Hook !
Avion Express is an absolute “Maître” in presenting the zero for bonus and the garbage as present!
60 K and 100K…for sure … I can't stop laughing...
Sure…
Reminds me a cheap advertising commercial.
If someone has the very basic skills that a commercial pilot should have i.e analytical thinking, can type some numbers taking into account that you won’t fly more than 400-450 h/ year for FOs and 600 h/year for the captains (LTC captains) and you will end up with a 43 K MAX GROSS figure for FOs which mean 17 K less from what it is advertised (also taxes and social insurance is on you which mean NET 28K / 43-15=28K) and 20-25 K less from what it is advertised for the Captains (around 75K gross).
AVION Express is ACMI company… you won’t fly 830 h/ year. Based on 830 h/ year the figures 100K and 60K are coming from. It’s not WIZZ nor a scheduled flag carrier.
You will be very lucky If you fly 500 h/year (20h/month X 5 months during the winter period and on average 57 h/ month during the summer season X 7 months). Most of my friends there they fly on average 400 h/ year.
60K and 100K is just a Hook !
Avion Express is an absolute “Maître” in presenting the zero for bonus and the garbage as present!
60 K and 100K…for sure … I can't stop laughing...
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Originally Posted by pilotnojob08
Thank you I will have the assessments in 2 weeks for a NTR pilots with no experience and is my best shot to get a job.
I studied already Fast track atpl question I´m reading ACE to prepare for the interview.
Thank once again for the reply
I studied already Fast track atpl question I´m reading ACE to prepare for the interview.
Thank once again for the reply
i wanted to know how did you apply to Avion Express was it via BAA training ? I am also interested in joining the airline I am NTR and didn’t see any open position for NTR except via BAA with self finance TR.
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AVION Express is ACMI company… you won’t fly 830 h/ year. Based on 830 h/ year the figures 100K and 60K are coming from. It’s not WIZZ nor a scheduled flag carrier.
You will be very lucky If you fly 500 h/year (20h/month X 5 months during the winter period and on average 57 h/ month during the summer season X 7 months). Most of my friends there they fly on average 400 h/ year.
I have a question, if a FO will fly around 400/500 hours per year, in the low season they will spend most of the time at home in their own country, or travelling in the bases on standby ?
Because for many people it could be a good compromise between acepting a lower salary and spend more time at home.
Or it's meant to be every month 20 day away and 10 back to the base ?
AVION Express is ACMI company… you won’t fly 830 h/ year. Based on 830 h/ year the figures 100K and 60K are coming from. It’s not WIZZ nor a scheduled flag carrier.
You will be very lucky If you fly 500 h/year (20h/month X 5 months during the winter period and on average 57 h/ month during the summer season X 7 months). Most of my friends there they fly on average 400 h/ year.
I have a question, if a FO will fly around 400/500 hours per year, in the low season they will spend most of the time at home in their own country, or travelling in the bases on standby ?
Because for many people it could be a good compromise between acepting a lower salary and spend more time at home.
Or it's meant to be every month 20 day away and 10 back to the base ?
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As a general comment, not airline specific.
The operator will need to keep a hot standby crew at the airplane location for any ad-hoc opportunities. In the wintertime, those are very valuable. Obviously, HOTAC cost is an issue, yet flash-purchase tickets from home don't come cheap either and then there are the rest requirements.
It's a very good question but expect to have a mixed result. Being outstationed for week's time with almost nothing to do is hard to avoid completely. A good scheduling team will try to rotate the pain among the crew team.
The operator will need to keep a hot standby crew at the airplane location for any ad-hoc opportunities. In the wintertime, those are very valuable. Obviously, HOTAC cost is an issue, yet flash-purchase tickets from home don't come cheap either and then there are the rest requirements.
It's a very good question but expect to have a mixed result. Being outstationed for week's time with almost nothing to do is hard to avoid completely. A good scheduling team will try to rotate the pain among the crew team.
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Originally Posted by OSTRIA
Estimated yearly income for Captains is 100K and for First Officers 60K or more…and much more...
Sure…
Reminds me a cheap advertising commercial.
If someone has the very basic skills that a commercial pilot should have i.e analytical thinking, can type some numbers taking into account that you won’t fly more than 400-450 h/ year for FOs and 600 h/year for the captains (LTC captains) and you will end up with a 43 K MAX GROSS figure for FOs which mean 17 K less from what it is advertised (also taxes and social insurance is on you which mean NET 28K / 43-15=28K) and 20-25 K less from what it is advertised for the Captains (around 75K gross).
AVION Express is ACMI company… you won’t fly 830 h/ year. Based on 830 h/ year the figures 100K and 60K are coming from. It’s not WIZZ nor a scheduled flag carrier.
You will be very lucky If you fly 500 h/year (20h/month X 5 months during the winter period and on average 57 h/ month during the summer season X 7 months). Most of my friends there they fly on average 400 h/ year.
60K and 100K is just a Hook !
Avion Express is an absolute “Maître” in presenting the zero for bonus and the garbage as present!
60 K and 100K…for sure … I can't stop laughing...
Sure…
Reminds me a cheap advertising commercial.
If someone has the very basic skills that a commercial pilot should have i.e analytical thinking, can type some numbers taking into account that you won’t fly more than 400-450 h/ year for FOs and 600 h/year for the captains (LTC captains) and you will end up with a 43 K MAX GROSS figure for FOs which mean 17 K less from what it is advertised (also taxes and social insurance is on you which mean NET 28K / 43-15=28K) and 20-25 K less from what it is advertised for the Captains (around 75K gross).
AVION Express is ACMI company… you won’t fly 830 h/ year. Based on 830 h/ year the figures 100K and 60K are coming from. It’s not WIZZ nor a scheduled flag carrier.
You will be very lucky If you fly 500 h/year (20h/month X 5 months during the winter period and on average 57 h/ month during the summer season X 7 months). Most of my friends there they fly on average 400 h/ year.
60K and 100K is just a Hook !
Avion Express is an absolute “Maître” in presenting the zero for bonus and the garbage as present!
60 K and 100K…for sure … I can't stop laughing...
We should also mention a funny topic called taxes…
you’ll be on an agency contract as a complete freelancer so good luck with that; you’ll need to find all sort of gimmicks to keep most of the money you will earn and those gimmicks will raise lots of eyebrows if you speak to any accountant or lawyer.
So if you’re ready to move your residence permit to Galapagos and and open up a bank account in Tijuana then You’ll definitely end up with a good salary 😄
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Some countries do not taxate money earned abroad. Could be wise to move your tax residence to one of those places.
Moreover there's the thing of health, pension and other kind of social security benefits. You got to either make SS payments by yourself or just save money for the unforeseen.
Moreover there's the thing of health, pension and other kind of social security benefits. You got to either make SS payments by yourself or just save money for the unforeseen.
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Originally Posted by EC-KIY
Some countries do not taxate money earned abroad. Could be wise to move your tax residence to one of those places.
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Each country is different about it in EU, depending of the bilateral agreement of the 2 country. For exemple if you make money in Luxembourg with a employee contract you will still pay tax in Luxembourg whereever you live.
If you have a broker freelance contract and make money, i think you have to pay tax in the country you live and some country (France for exemple) will not accept those broker contract. it as you have to be either a freelancer to invoice the broker / company or be an employee of the broker, meaning you also have to pay your social tax on top of income tax, you can remove about 40/50% of what the broker give you if you want to be legal (I just give France example as I know)
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Originally Posted by EC-KIY
Some countries do not taxate money earned abroad. Could be wise to move your tax residence to one of those places.
Moreover there's the thing of health, pension and other kind of social security benefits. You got to either make SS payments by yourself or just save money for the unforeseen.
Moreover there's the thing of health, pension and other kind of social security benefits. You got to either make SS payments by yourself or just save money for the unforeseen.
Moreover you can move your residency wherever you want but again good luck when coming back for your block of days off to your EU country to be with your family and telling the tax man you’re just hanging out for a bit over there 😅
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Let me rephrase it with a bit of respect which I really dont have, but anyone who accepts these conditions or is remotely interested in it is responsible for the demise of our industry, and you should be brought to justice for it, not only for ruining your own future, but also for your colleagues elsewhere. If ever there will be something like a joint union in Europe to some extend, you people shall be excluded from using any benefits, you are backstabbing on "us" , because you are selling yourself so much below the already destroyed market price that it is despicable. Just because you think you can live in your post soviet third world countries in eastern europe with these salaries, you people shall not be entitled to destroy the standards for the rest of us that live in expensive, highly taxed and overregulated western countries. Because of your willingness to accept the unacceptable because your lack of self respect, you are bringing the B2B prositute pay by the hour shit into the mainstream of european aviation. Stay at home and hide, if I will ever come across one of you in my professional life, there is no chance that I will hire anyone of you because you are spineless "yes"men.
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Social security avoidance
+ invented by RYR and their US (pilot unions, anyone?) owners
+ tolerated and welcome for decades, under the disguise of 'benefit to customer and public' at HM's UK, p.l.c. the largest revenue stream market they ever had. BALPA, Revenue Office, ... all inbred
= RYR hldgs are running EUs largest airline and darn successful about it. Clearly EEU pilot's fault.
ACMI Airlines largest Customers
+ to SmaryLynx, EasyJet.
+ to AvionExpress, Eurowings
= Clearly EEU pilot's fault
Salary scales
AvEx = 5000 EUR basic + 50/bh. Tickets to the operating station and hotel in situ provided. Winter time = 1 month PAID vacation on top of the annual 20:10 rostering pattern. Ground training and SIM time paid for by the company, tickets and HOTAC too.
->>> @600 hours = 90 k EUR (before taxes and deductions on the pilot side)
RYR/AirMalta/Lauda
->>> @900 hours = 115k EUR (before taxes and deductions on the pilot side)
->>>@600 hours = 70k EUR (before taxes and deductions on the pilot side)
but, be honest, at least in RYR you can feel better included as a team member by paying for your uniform and commuting home wearing it.
Volotea
- shittiest contract there is.
- only matched by whatever name other Spanish, IAG owned (I did not say British here, OK?!), devolution of the half-decade
DEMOGRAPHIC
The nationality share at ACMI operators is 40% 'regionals' and 60% 'the proper West EU passport holders'.
+ Of the 40% EEU ,
- approximately half is staying for good. Content with what they are, the life they have and familial relations their keep. Bar the exceptions, finely skilled aviators too.
- 10% will be changing for a LoCo serving the local market (WZZ, BZZ - all western floated companies) if they could get a base in their own country in search of a more strongly anchored existence. Not who killed FlyBe or created SAS Ireland.
- 10% will be later going for ex-pat opportunities in Asia.
+ of the 60% Western passport pilots
- 20 are in between jobs, providing the food to the home table. Mostly enjoy the bright moment of survival and working along the OEM FCOM rules, no strings attached.
- 10 find themselves in a fringe corner of their career envelope. They get the job done in the summer and fight like an apocalypse for every 3-hour block the schedulers try to steal away from them. Exactly the stance and behaviour that would get them fired unjustly back home and Union and CAA will bury their heads down to the molten core (case study, illustrative: Pulling Wings From Butterflies. Not saying the author works or ever was interested in Baltic ACMI). Yes, many times these fellows could be described as 'characters' but their integrity is 100% proof, no contest. They hibernate over winter causing no ruffle to anyone and themselves and might return in decimated numbers the next spring.
- 30 are using reduced QoL and slightly negative cashflow as an investment for personal career progression. The same as the western WZZ f/os taking commands in heathen lands for 6k EUR and no commuting, instead of joining BA seniority ladder or moving to the Gulf (oh dear, wait...).
Abhorrent what the EEU pilots brought the industry to.
Now, this can go on for many pages and numerous topics, tax evasion included.
(spoiler: the local lads are the easiest target of all for the IRS of their countries. Speed dial on the auditor's phone, namely so when a new boss needs an example case. We don't lie and steal from our own, despite many keyboard warriors' wet dreams - yes, if given the chance.... same as any other nation. Eventually, all would in some form. However, most actually have local full employment contracts as the IRS will not tolerate self-employed pilots of their citizens. Tut tut, please read that twice)
There's your breadcrumbs.
Very sorry you did not make the grade. Well, actually don't mind. Because drifters who use the higher-valued western reserves to take our jobs and later skip ahead of their brothers back home are the menace keeping us from reaching better remunerations.
The same people who call the scheduling boss on a private line, offering to inject off days retrospectively into the roster in exchange for a more favourable pairing the next week and scooping overtime hours. Taken away from the next guy. #vatniktears
Ready for personal questions and insults after the lunch break, appreciate your time.
+ invented by RYR and their US (pilot unions, anyone?) owners
+ tolerated and welcome for decades, under the disguise of 'benefit to customer and public' at HM's UK, p.l.c. the largest revenue stream market they ever had. BALPA, Revenue Office, ... all inbred
= RYR hldgs are running EUs largest airline and darn successful about it. Clearly EEU pilot's fault.
ACMI Airlines largest Customers
+ to SmaryLynx, EasyJet.
+ to AvionExpress, Eurowings
= Clearly EEU pilot's fault
Salary scales
AvEx = 5000 EUR basic + 50/bh. Tickets to the operating station and hotel in situ provided. Winter time = 1 month PAID vacation on top of the annual 20:10 rostering pattern. Ground training and SIM time paid for by the company, tickets and HOTAC too.
->>> @600 hours = 90 k EUR (before taxes and deductions on the pilot side)
RYR/AirMalta/Lauda
->>> @900 hours = 115k EUR (before taxes and deductions on the pilot side)
->>>@600 hours = 70k EUR (before taxes and deductions on the pilot side)
but, be honest, at least in RYR you can feel better included as a team member by paying for your uniform and commuting home wearing it.
Volotea
- shittiest contract there is.
- only matched by whatever name other Spanish, IAG owned (I did not say British here, OK?!), devolution of the half-decade
DEMOGRAPHIC
The nationality share at ACMI operators is 40% 'regionals' and 60% 'the proper West EU passport holders'.
+ Of the 40% EEU ,
- approximately half is staying for good. Content with what they are, the life they have and familial relations their keep. Bar the exceptions, finely skilled aviators too.
- 10% will be changing for a LoCo serving the local market (WZZ, BZZ - all western floated companies) if they could get a base in their own country in search of a more strongly anchored existence. Not who killed FlyBe or created SAS Ireland.
- 10% will be later going for ex-pat opportunities in Asia.
The distinction between ex-pat and immigrant work is made along the line of income comparison against the local workforce. If you go work for a higher salary than locals or fill a posting where the region lacks qualified manpower, ex-pat is used. If you go work for a lower price or take a job the locals wouldn't touch (Kuwait), that is immigrant work. Technically speaking, there needs to be a third category named 'emigrant' for joining a fair deal job outside of own country that pays less than the home employment offers.
+ of the 60% Western passport pilots
- 20 are in between jobs, providing the food to the home table. Mostly enjoy the bright moment of survival and working along the OEM FCOM rules, no strings attached.
- 10 find themselves in a fringe corner of their career envelope. They get the job done in the summer and fight like an apocalypse for every 3-hour block the schedulers try to steal away from them. Exactly the stance and behaviour that would get them fired unjustly back home and Union and CAA will bury their heads down to the molten core (case study, illustrative: Pulling Wings From Butterflies. Not saying the author works or ever was interested in Baltic ACMI). Yes, many times these fellows could be described as 'characters' but their integrity is 100% proof, no contest. They hibernate over winter causing no ruffle to anyone and themselves and might return in decimated numbers the next spring.
- 30 are using reduced QoL and slightly negative cashflow as an investment for personal career progression. The same as the western WZZ f/os taking commands in heathen lands for 6k EUR and no commuting, instead of joining BA seniority ladder or moving to the Gulf (oh dear, wait...).
Abhorrent what the EEU pilots brought the industry to.
Now, this can go on for many pages and numerous topics, tax evasion included.
(spoiler: the local lads are the easiest target of all for the IRS of their countries. Speed dial on the auditor's phone, namely so when a new boss needs an example case. We don't lie and steal from our own, despite many keyboard warriors' wet dreams - yes, if given the chance.... same as any other nation. Eventually, all would in some form. However, most actually have local full employment contracts as the IRS will not tolerate self-employed pilots of their citizens. Tut tut, please read that twice)
There's your breadcrumbs.
Very sorry you did not make the grade. Well, actually don't mind. Because drifters who use the higher-valued western reserves to take our jobs and later skip ahead of their brothers back home are the menace keeping us from reaching better remunerations.
The same people who call the scheduling boss on a private line, offering to inject off days retrospectively into the roster in exchange for a more favourable pairing the next week and scooping overtime hours. Taken away from the next guy. #vatniktears
Ready for personal questions and insults after the lunch break, appreciate your time.
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Thank you for waiting, hope your meal was delicious.
It turns out, on a full stomach, the perfect fix was just two words away!
No original grammar was hurt or altered when editing the above content. But the underline with bold is mine.
Still interested what is the gross salary at Iberia Express during winter time on 0 hours. Asking for a friend, someone whom I met on an internet discussion board...
Stay safe everyone, the summer is coming.
Don't let Primera come back.
Don't ask what EW EU package is for PRG base.
It turns out, on a full stomach, the perfect fix was just two words away!
... responsible for the demise of our industry, and you should be brought to justice for it, not only for ruining your own future, but also for your colleagues elsewhere. If ever there will be something like a joint union in Europe to some extend, you people shall be excluded from using any benefits, you are backstabbing on "us" , because you are selling yourself so much below the already destroyed market price that it is despicable.
Just because you think you can live inyour THEIR post soviet third world countries in eastern europe with these salaries, you people shall not be entitled to destroy the standards for the rest of us that live STAY in expensive, highly taxed and overregulated western countries. Because of your willingness to accept the unacceptable because your lack of self respect, you are bringing the B2B prositute pay by the hour shit into the mainstream of european aviation.
Stay at home and hide, if I will ever come across one of you in my professional life, there is no chance that I will hire anyone of you because you are spineless "yes"men.
Just because you think you can live in
Stay at home and hide, if I will ever come across one of you in my professional life, there is no chance that I will hire anyone of you because you are spineless "yes"men.
Still interested what is the gross salary at Iberia Express during winter time on 0 hours. Asking for a friend, someone whom I met on an internet discussion board...
Stay safe everyone, the summer is coming.
Don't let Primera come back.
Don't ask what EW EU package is for PRG base.
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Hello,
For those currently flying there, any idea on how many hours of flying one can expect per month? especially for low timers during the Line training?
according to FlightRadar, only 4 planes are currently flying. It is pretty concerning.
Thanks
For those currently flying there, any idea on how many hours of flying one can expect per month? especially for low timers during the Line training?
according to FlightRadar, only 4 planes are currently flying. It is pretty concerning.
Thanks
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Dear flightdetent ! I stand corrected as you absolutely nailed the coffin with your analysis. In your honor Sir?! It's time to open the most expensive bottle that I can still find in my cellar, one that I wasn't able to sell during the 3 year covid layoff, in the house that I would not have been able to get a mortgage for .
In all these years I always fought for basic fair treatment from my position of weakness, put my job and the income for the family on the line, sometimes lost it, just because I can never accept that us pilots, for whatever reason are supposed to be totally rightless and underpaid slaves to the companies who have been feasting on our hard work.
In all these years I always fought for basic fair treatment from my position of weakness, put my job and the income for the family on the line, sometimes lost it, just because I can never accept that us pilots, for whatever reason are supposed to be totally rightless and underpaid slaves to the companies who have been feasting on our hard work.
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Originally Posted by FlightDetent
Thank you for waiting, hope your meal was delicious.
It turns out, on a full stomach, the perfect fix was just two words away!
No original grammar was hurt or altered when editing the above content. But the underline with bold is mine.
Still interested what is the gross salary at Iberia Express during winter time on 0 hours. Asking for a friend, someone whom I met on an internet discussion board...
Stay safe everyone, the summer is coming.
Don't let Primera come back.
Don't ask what EW EU package is for PRG base.
It turns out, on a full stomach, the perfect fix was just two words away!
No original grammar was hurt or altered when editing the above content. But the underline with bold is mine.
Still interested what is the gross salary at Iberia Express during winter time on 0 hours. Asking for a friend, someone whom I met on an internet discussion board...
Stay safe everyone, the summer is coming.
Don't let Primera come back.
Don't ask what EW EU package is for PRG base.
Only half a speed-brake
Your point seems to be the westerners need to make their own research and understand the landscape when signing with such agencies / operators. And so do the easterners, no difference. It is the same landscape introduced to the EU by RYR and their US owners 2 decades ago. BTW those agencies are predominantly British Commonwealth registered entities, it does not get much closer to CAA UK than Crawley.
When I see a contracted offer, clearly my take home is (after direct expenses) 25%-35% less and I need to register a proper business structure in my tax residence country.
About the advertisement, true. But hey EK also boast 42 days of annual vacation, Qatar tell you there is a contract. We could go on for pages with those examples. My recent favourite is the HNA group (China, about 8 expat-ready airlines in total) 'grounding insurance' for lost medical only pays out after you regain the CAAC Class 1, ... imagine the no pressure on the doctor from the company there.
The contract never says it is tax-free money, it says proper taxation is the supplier's sole responsibility.
It is very helpful you brought that up. My case about the previous vile rant not being attached to any part of reality is put to rest.
When I see a contracted offer, clearly my take home is (after direct expenses) 25%-35% less and I need to register a proper business structure in my tax residence country.
About the advertisement, true. But hey EK also boast 42 days of annual vacation, Qatar tell you there is a contract. We could go on for pages with those examples. My recent favourite is the HNA group (China, about 8 expat-ready airlines in total) 'grounding insurance' for lost medical only pays out after you regain the CAAC Class 1, ... imagine the no pressure on the doctor from the company there.
The contract never says it is tax-free money, it says proper taxation is the supplier's sole responsibility.
It is very helpful you brought that up. My case about the previous vile rant not being attached to any part of reality is put to rest.
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F2R Contract
Hello guys!
maybe you can help to clarify a doubt I have. Is it F2R Avion Express contractor?
what if I already applied & pass recruitment for Heston Airlines and Avion at the same time (both under same F2R agency)?
Will I have some kind of trouble having two profile with the same contractors company or they will not care and I can choose the most convenient btwn Avion and Heston?
(I’m not that expert as a contractor pilot and I don’t want to **** up something and loose the chance of fly a bit for the upcoming high season).
thank you 😉
maybe you can help to clarify a doubt I have. Is it F2R Avion Express contractor?
what if I already applied & pass recruitment for Heston Airlines and Avion at the same time (both under same F2R agency)?
Will I have some kind of trouble having two profile with the same contractors company or they will not care and I can choose the most convenient btwn Avion and Heston?
(I’m not that expert as a contractor pilot and I don’t want to **** up something and loose the chance of fly a bit for the upcoming high season).
thank you 😉
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[size=19px]With all the advertisements by Avion Express it seems they are a bit desperate for pilots. What is the real amount of BH pilots fly on average per year?[/size]
[size=19px]I saw already very different opinions, from 400 to 700. [/size]
[size=19px]Also, as a matter of curiosity, some agencies advertise things a bit different. For example, one say the company pays per diems plus basic salary plus BH. Others say per diems are included in basic salary. What is true? [/size]
[size=19px]I saw already very different opinions, from 400 to 700. [/size]
[size=19px]Also, as a matter of curiosity, some agencies advertise things a bit different. For example, one say the company pays per diems plus basic salary plus BH. Others say per diems are included in basic salary. What is true? [/size]
