Ryanair Cancelling flights!

[skyloone]

Can anyone shed light on the unverified rumours that a few pilots at Ryanair who identified themselves as company council members are being deciplined and one has been summarily dismissed?

[Can737]

Ryanair pilots 'remain undaunted, committed'

https://amp.independent.ie/business/...-36375655.html

[SMT Member]

Unionisation taking place in Ireland, Sweden, Italy, Spain, Germany and Portugal. When are the UK based pilots going to join the party?

[Can737]

Ryanair pilots in Portugal notify airline they have balloted for strike action. Ryanair says they and their pilots ignore such threats

Here we go.

[ExDubai]

Interesting times ahead...... MoL worst nightmare becomes reality.

[Can737]

Yes, interesting times ahead.

Ryanair pilots in Portugal vote for industrial action

[FRogge]

I am really disappointed that UK based pilots and BALPA is not on the list of pilot groups who are standing up against the company. Why is it like this?

[gearlever]

Since Thatcher labour forces went down the hill....

[Smooth Airperator]

One reason for this could be the incredible amount of recruitment and availability of jobs. Are guys just seeing themselves through by hoping they can jump ship soon?

[Rated De]

Since Thatcher labour forces went down the hill....

It was Thatcher with a stroke of political genius that linked forever the organised labour movement to the destruction of the nation. It has been used in many other countries. It wasn't the reckless banker, the polluting and environmentally destructive corporate it was the employee.

The legal remedy of labour removal, effectively the ultimate last resort has in most western economies been watered down. Union themselves lost their way and forgot their charter and those of us not choosing our parents well enough have suffered.

Unsurprisingly GDP per capita fell in most western economies.

With aging populations, globalised capital destroying onshore employment meant progressively the middle class shrunk, its role and wealth diminished it had to borrow to fund lifestyle. Growth is sluggish, debt too high and lower interest rates don't further stimulate like the stupid politicians are told the textbooks say it will

Ironically as politicians of both persuasions scratch their heads looking for answers in the same neo-classical economics, they need only ask Henry Ford how it all fitted together.

'One man's spending is another's income': He raised the wages of his workers to ensure his business had enough customers.

Corporates and government fail to understand this fundamental problem; the profits from our system are concentrated in far too few hands. With huge costs and other barrier's to entry aviation is no longer a rewarding return for an investment of time and money. In an Orwellian nightmare like that overseen by O'Leary is it really any surprise that there are now too few pilots and those that are left want nothing to do with Ryan air?

[gearlever]

Rated De

Spot on, you nailed it.

[Can737]

Italian union announces 4-hour strike of Ryanair pilots for 15 December

Italian union announces 4-hour strike of Ryanair pilots for 15 December

ya ya..

“We regularly receive threats of industrial action from competitor airline pilot unions from Italy, Portugal and even Aer Lingus pilots occasionally.
Both we and our pilots ignore these letters…

[anderse]

Originally Posted by Can737

This is the sixth time FIT/CSIL or ANPAC has announced strikes by Ryanair pilots, only to postpone/cancel them later.

Is this true?

[Can737]

Ryanair telling the truth is like saying the pope is worshipping satan.

The google news search today is full of news on Ryanair.

https://amp.theguardian.com/business...mpression=true

Ryanair threatens pilots with pay and benefit cuts if they strike

[ExDubai]

At the end of the day it all depends on how many pilots participate. If they don't do it now, nothing will change. I hope they realize it..... The time for divide and conquer is over.

[GScapture]

Originally Posted by Can737

Ryanair telling the truth is like saying the pope is worshipping satan

Probably the most accurate post in this topic for a while.

Looking forward to see how it happens on the 15th, sadly UK pilots still seem to be a bit disorganized and divided. Hope they will unionize soon as well.

[Boeing 7E7]

Originally Posted by Time Traveller

Are you kidding? Muddled Marxist garbage, and mostly factually incorrect. Ironically the Ford quote is espousing free market income growth through the freedom and ability of the consumer to spend (and that includes the bankers rated despises) - Eat into the disposable income of the consumer, (as Corbyn would delight in), and the humble workers income falls (or he loses his job and goes on benefits, which the state no longer has the tax revenues to afford, while rated de also advocates curtailing capital markets ability to adjust, and the states ability to deploy monetary stimulus. Stuff of true horrors. Study Venezuela to see how that plays out.

I would agree that the poor reward for investment in pilot training is drastically limiting supply.

Yawn. Heard this version so many times.

[RAFAT]

Originally Posted by GScapture

.........sadly UK pilots still seem to be a bit disorganized and divided.

Has always been the case and will continue to be so, don't know why.

[Rated De]

Eat into the disposable income of the consumer, (as Corbyn would delight in), and the humble workers income falls (or he loses his job and goes on benefits, which the state no longer has the tax revenues to afford,

This is not politics, neoclassical models underpin all economics undergraduate degrees, both sides of politics embraced it with vigour. It is nort confined to either side of the chamber, but it has not translated into higher standards of living for those not of means, or having chosen their parents well.

I would simply point you to GDP per capita figures in the western economies, Per capita income is already falling. Welfare spend as a percentage of GDP is increasing. National indebtedness as a share of GDP has grown considerably; the economy cnanot produce enpugh to meet the entitlement models. Globalisation has much to answer for. I would simply say as indigenous industry is lost the tax base declines as does disposable income.

advocates curtailing capital markets ability to adjust, and the states ability to deploy monetary stimulus

I don't advocate curtailing capital markets, but rates at 5,000 year lows some eight years into a so called 'recovery' isn't capitalist; Surely the time for neoclassical stimulus has passed? Should interest rates be hovering at near zero? Price discovery does not exist as money cannot be transparently priced. Risk is not correctly modelled. What is the yield on a 10 year Greek bond, about 5.2% for Greece?.... If 'capitalism' was allowed to operate, far more banks even countries would have paid the price for poor 'profit maximising decisions' in the GFC, but the taxpayer footed the bill. How is that capitalist again? Saving the big banks isn't capitalism, it is cronyism. Our 'market' is nowhere near capitalist.

Oh and what Mr Ford said in his 1926 book Today and Tomorrow was:

“The owner, the employees, and the buying public are all one and the same, and unless an industry can so manage itself as to keep wages high and prices low it destroys itself, for otherwise it limits the number of its customers. One’s own employees ought to be one’s own best customers.”

He also said:

[QUOTE]“We increased the buying power of our own people, and they increased the buying power of other people, and so on and on.It is this thought of enlarging buying power by paying high wages and selling at low prices that is behind the prosperity of this country.”[/QUOTE]


The result of the modern imbalance between labour and capital is grubs like Mr O'Leary can peddle employment models that would have made for a class war in the 19th century. It is the demographics generating higher retirement rates than can be replaced with declining birth rates that lead to dwindling supply. Rational choices of those pilots left in the industry 'maximising personal utility' (probably their mental health too) and getting as far away from Ryan Air as they can. Those remaining can choose to withdraw their labour, no small achievement in the modern economic world.

[vrb03kt]

If I were a 'self- employed' contractor I'd be awarding myself a generous Christmas holiday this year, regardless of what the roster said I was doing! You are self-employed after all.