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Old 12th Dec 2017, 17:00
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What's the ratio on the LHS between direct employment and contracting at FR?
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Old 12th Dec 2017, 18:03
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To say "VC is a LUFTHANSA UNION" means to claim Trump to be "President of Women's lib".

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Old 12th Dec 2017, 18:50
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This process which needs done will almost certainly create pain on both sides but its a procedure that needs undertaken otherwise they will always dominate you as a work force. If they take away the 5/4 roster, given your already high on hours.... What could go wrong eh the history of the 5/4 is because they needed it to stop crew getting high on hours.

Internal flights and shorter sectors on the continent mean't a lot of bases would be more optimum for them on a 5/3. Force them to the table under your terms, not theirs. Good luck.
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Old 12th Dec 2017, 19:01
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Originally Posted by ExDubai View Post
What's the ratio on the LHS between direct employment and contracting at FR?
At a meeting Eddie said something like 70/30 employee/contractor for LHS. Then 15/85 for RHS
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Old 12th Dec 2017, 20:38
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Their Italian pilots too are planning to strike.
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Old 12th Dec 2017, 22:48
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All the best guys and girls, stick together. They can threat with 5/3 as much as they like but the fact is; They do not have enough crew.
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Old 12th Dec 2017, 22:59
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Good luck to Ryanair pilots with their strike. TCX's management were forced to think again when their BALPA pilot members launched a successful industrial action. No one wants to do it, but you've got to stand up to the bullies.
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 01:12
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Originally Posted by GScapture View Post
They can threat with 5/3 as much as they like but the fact is; They do not have enough crew.
Such an obviously ludicrous threat shows that Ryanair are out of options

Even if they do out of sheer arrogance change the roster, this will simply exacerbate the existing crewing issue, giving crew more leverage in the dispute.

So keep going everyone - you literally can't loose this one!
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 06:17
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Chief People Officer - that is a new one on me! He sounds like a right so -and-so to put it mildly.
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 07:01
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To a hammer, the problem is always a nail...

More of the same. Stay respectful and indifferent, their model of human response and remedy expects emotion (they set it up like that) so that their various veiled threats can be wheeled out against those steeping up.

Quiet indifference is the key. If one is fatigued and stressed it is hard to operate.

'Gandhi once observed that every movement goes through four stages: First they ignore you; then they abuse you; then they crack down on you and then you win'.
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 07:09
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Ryanair is also free – under both Irish & EU law – to decline to engage with (competitor pilot) unions. Ryanair will not recognise an Aer Lingus pilot union, no matter how often or how long this tiny minority (earning between €150,000 to €190,000 p.a.) try to disrupt our flights or our customers plans during Christmas week.
Oh this reminds me of Olivia Wirth at Qantas during the 'dispute' in 2011, management induced crisis it was!

She stated pilots 'wanted first class travel and massages'
CEO Mr Joyce chipping in with an A380 Captain has a 'higher pay rate than i do...

Oh those pesky overpaid bus drivers Michael. How does your tenure look Michael when revenue is declining quarter on quarter?
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 07:14
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Originally Posted by Rated De View Post
To a hammer, the problem is always a nail...

More of the same. Stay respectful and indifferent, their model of human response and remedy expects emotion (they set it up like that) so that their various veiled threats can be wheeled out against those steeping up.

Quiet indifference is the key. If one is fatigued and stressed it is hard to operate.

'Gandhi once observed that every movement goes through four stages: First they ignore you; then they abuse you; then they crack down on you and then you win'.
As an outside observer they are pretty well set up for another spring/summer crack down on crewing issues if they do not really switch manners.
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 08:24
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Eddie Wilson has always been Ryanair’s Union Buster in chief. He was responsible for the negotiations that led to Ryanair pulling out of Denmark after the CPH Unions stood up to Ryanair over conditions for cabin crew there.

He’s a nasty piece of work.

Best of luck to all my former colleagues - delighted to see things are finally changing
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 09:22
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Stop promotions, stop 5/4... so, more hours, less captains... and they already have a massive crewing problem.

As has been said, keep going on strong, be united. THEY have a massive problem.
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 11:06
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As the TCX pilots have proved yesterday, you can take management on in a calm and sensible way and win a reasonable settlement.
The best of luck to the RYR pilots in their efforts to make their management be reasonable.
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 11:31
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Would be a great time for some of the contracters to catch a Flu...
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 11:42
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Balls would be required.
If one was stupid enough to have to paid for training/ type rating not very likely especially if one goes dutch!
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 12:05
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Originally Posted by GSMini View Post
Stop promotions, stop 5/4... so, more hours, less captains... and they already have a massive crewing problem.

As has been said, keep going on strong, be united. THEY have a massive problem.
If you read the memo from the Chief People Officer carefully it is addressed to Cabin Crew and only mentions pilots peripherally.

The threat is that if any single cabin crew member takes industrial action all of them at that base will be penalised. That reminds me of the old tactic at school of threatening to put the whole class in detention until the student who let out an enormous passage of wind owned up.

What a pathetic way to treat staff on whom you rely for your passengers' safety and generating a good part of your net profit!
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 14:30
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The next one.....
https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2017/...27138-ryanair/

The Spanish pilots' union, SEPLA, has told Ryanair that it reserves the right to take legal action in pursuit of trade union rights....
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 17:44
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Surprise surprise, portugese FR pilots strike on Dec. 20th.
Ryanair pilots in Portugal to strike on same day as some...
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