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Old 13th Dec 2017, 08:14
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Originally Posted by Rated De View Post
To a hammer, the problem is always a nail...

More of the same. Stay respectful and indifferent, their model of human response and remedy expects emotion (they set it up like that) so that their various veiled threats can be wheeled out against those steeping up.

Quiet indifference is the key. If one is fatigued and stressed it is hard to operate.

'Gandhi once observed that every movement goes through four stages: First they ignore you; then they abuse you; then they crack down on you and then you win'.
As an outside observer they are pretty well set up for another spring/summer crack down on crewing issues if they do not really switch manners.
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 09:24
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Eddie Wilson has always been Ryanair’s Union Buster in chief. He was responsible for the negotiations that led to Ryanair pulling out of Denmark after the CPH Unions stood up to Ryanair over conditions for cabin crew there.

He’s a nasty piece of work.

Best of luck to all my former colleagues - delighted to see things are finally changing
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 10:22
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Stop promotions, stop 5/4... so, more hours, less captains... and they already have a massive crewing problem.

As has been said, keep going on strong, be united. THEY have a massive problem.
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 12:06
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As the TCX pilots have proved yesterday, you can take management on in a calm and sensible way and win a reasonable settlement.
The best of luck to the RYR pilots in their efforts to make their management be reasonable.
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 12:31
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Would be a great time for some of the contracters to catch a Flu...
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 12:42
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Balls would be required.
If one was stupid enough to have to paid for training/ type rating not very likely especially if one goes dutch!
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 13:05
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Originally Posted by GSMini View Post
Stop promotions, stop 5/4... so, more hours, less captains... and they already have a massive crewing problem.

As has been said, keep going on strong, be united. THEY have a massive problem.
If you read the memo from the Chief People Officer carefully it is addressed to Cabin Crew and only mentions pilots peripherally.

The threat is that if any single cabin crew member takes industrial action all of them at that base will be penalised. That reminds me of the old tactic at school of threatening to put the whole class in detention until the student who let out an enormous passage of wind owned up.

What a pathetic way to treat staff on whom you rely for your passengers' safety and generating a good part of your net profit!
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 15:30
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The next one.....
https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2017/...27138-ryanair/

The Spanish pilots' union, SEPLA, has told Ryanair that it reserves the right to take legal action in pursuit of trade union rights....
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 18:44
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Surprise surprise, portugese FR pilots strike on Dec. 20th.
Ryanair pilots in Portugal to strike on same day as some...
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 19:00
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I hope the Spanish, German and even the Italian bases will join them on the strike on the same day. In an ideal world the UK bases will join them too. That would really stick it to MOL - I know I am being very optimistic
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 19:04
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I'd at very least expect those contractors serving their notice (of which there must be a few) to join the strike on the 20th.

Besides, there's plenty of flu and fever going around.
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 22:10
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https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...mpression=true

Interesting.

Mr Phillips estimated that Ryanair has between 370 and 390 pilots in Germany and that more than half of them are members. “Every day there are new applications coming in. They are joining to support the action,” he said.

He pointed out that local law also allows Ryanair pilots who are not members of the union to strike, so its action could potentially hit the airline’s entire German operation.

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Old 14th Dec 2017, 07:46
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It's ramping up in Italy with even Government Ministers calling the memo to staff 'unworthy'
It's in Italian
http://www.corriere.it/economia/17_d...9f602793.shtml
The Employment Minister even made comments that the right to strike forms part of the laws of Italy and that any attempt to remove this right will be investigated by the relevant magistrates.
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 08:47
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In an ideal world the UK bases will join them too. That would really stick it to MOL - I know I am being very optimistic
The UK has some of the toughest rules to follow to initiate industrial action. It's a process which takes 6 to 8 weeks and has to comply with numerous technicalities to make it legal.
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 09:14
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Is the ball even rolling in terms of the UK pilots getting on board?

Wish all my fellow pilot professionals at Ryanair the very best of luck , stay strong and stay together!
You have the complete backing of the whole pilot community.
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 10:00
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The biggest UK bases are where the whipper snappers and new commanders probably come to train. Precisely the kind of pilot who'd be too scared to act.
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 10:59
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From what I recall, STN does have a significant transient training flow through it. Folks not actually based there, just rostered for training. If STN Old guard were to dig their heels in then MOL would quite possibly be in a spot. As mentioned above, it does appear to require a much higher threshold to get the ball rolling in the UK. Apparently it has to be a postal vote.... many based there live abroad. I suspect UK government not keen to bring union voting into the electronic age. UK rules pretty tricky and open to legal challenge at each step. That said, I gather union membership on the rise. BALPA appear quite cautious in their approach. Playing the long game? Just have to make sure the games not over before you join! That I suppose is down to whether FR pilots want to create long term sustainable t&c’s or leave the gig economy circus. Perhaps jump ship to the next outfit struggling to keep afloat due to FR’s continued reduction in unit costs while their new employer bears the costs of a proper employment model.
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 13:43
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Originally Posted by speed_alive_rotate View Post

Wish all my fellow pilot professionals at Ryanair the very best of luck , stay strong and stay together!

You have the complete backing of the whole pilot community.
Yes they absolutely have our backing, but if Ryanair crew were totally defeated in their efforts there's nothing really that those of us outside of Ryanair would be willing or able to do. It's a sad fact, but pilots mostly act as individuals rather than a true "community". I truly wish that this wasn't the case.
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 14:38
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This fight sets the precedent for the whole industry, it’s the labour relations battle that we’ve all been waiting for. If FR management can crush the pilots demands when FR is in such a critically bad state in terms of crewing, then it sends a signal to everyone in the industry that the pilots have been defeated and management really can get away with what they like. If however, the pilots can bring the giant of Ryanair to the negotiating table; management across the industry will realise that they can’t get away with what they like forever.

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Old 14th Dec 2017, 16:33
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For any pilots currently flying for the Irish mob, I congratulate you for your efforts and wish you all the best. I hope more bases will come together and hurt the billion dollar winning company where it hurts in order to finally have decent reward for the hard work you all do.

I just hope you guys do not leave this as a one day strike where management can take the hit for a single day, would love to see you guys take every Friday off until management pull their heads out their arses!
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