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Old 7th Oct 2017, 14:27
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I was shown a copy of this letter at LGW this morning. [ and no ,,,, I definitely don't work for Ryanair]
Firstly , I questioned the authenticity of the letter as it's pretty universally acknowledged that this obnoxious little leprechaun doesn't do contrition.

The colleague who had shown me "the letter" reassured me that it wasn't a 'wind-up' , but all I could hear was a gearbox being crunched into reverse.

What's that old saying about , "if it sounds too good to be true".

No pressure from the shareholders then Michael ?

And there was daft old me thinking that it was Neil Kinnock who'd written "The longest suicide note in history".
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Old 7th Oct 2017, 15:23
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No, that was Michael Foot, one of the Five Feet brothers, Dingle, Hugh, John, Christopher .

These are NOT the

"Feet that in ancient time ..........."

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Old 7th Oct 2017, 16:56
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Once again, MOL addressed the 'Ryanair Pilots' in his letter, which which he means : Ryanair pilots on permanent contract - the other 60-70% of his workforce has once again been spit in the face....
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Old 7th Oct 2017, 17:19
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Ryanair will never have a pilot shortage

Always worth seeing again, as told by the man himself!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6yt...&feature=share
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Old 7th Oct 2017, 20:42
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Quite the dissertation but he was probably right in some respects where pilot supply is concerned.

But you understand that once the current fracas subsides, Ryanair will soldier on pretty much as if nothing had happened ? You get that, right ?

And the public's reaction ? They have repeatedly proven there's no limit to the mistreatment they'll endure for the right ticket price. Their "outrage" can also be ignored. You can bet MOL knows that.

Actions speak louder than words...for pilots and passengers.
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Old 7th Oct 2017, 22:31
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Ryanair 'run like a communist regime', says pilot - BBC News
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Old 8th Oct 2017, 15:19
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fly4more Yes monetization is prevalent as pilots have to pay for recurrent simulator training, initial training (at a steep premium) and also in many cases as a contractor you need to pay and accountant under a self employment scheme despite working for only one employer etc

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Old 8th Oct 2017, 16:20
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Even for recurrents?
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Old 8th Oct 2017, 17:22
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Is it true F/O's have to pay all their expenses during command upgrades? What about salary during the process? No flight pay for RYR contracts, perhaps, and nowt for the contractors who are only paid to fly.
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Old 8th Oct 2017, 18:09
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All expenses paid by the pilot. Paid as normal (Salary and flight pay for employee/flight pay for contractor) no pay when on the ground/SIM (just basic for employees). Same for all training at FR. You wanna be a TRE? Great, here's a months training where you earn nothing and pay your own hotels.
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Old 8th Oct 2017, 18:18
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If I took a contract with RYR as self employed, then I’m selling my services to them. Would it be possible to say that I’m doing 4 days a week say Wednesday to Saturday or a different combo. What I understand is you only get paid for what you do so can’t see a problem there. Win win for both. Or ? Surely they would be happy that anyone will help them out.
It’s not always about the money but quality of life !
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Old 8th Oct 2017, 19:41
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Well that would imply you're actually a contractor as opposed to a 'contractor'

Ryanair only utilize the se services of 'contractors'
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Old 8th Oct 2017, 21:31
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Not sure what “se” services are ? You hire out your services on an hourly basis. I know some planning from your customer, in this case RYR needs to be fulfilled for planning purposes. But surely if you’re self employed you dictate when, what and where you want to work. Or am I missing something. If you want an employee you hire somebody on a permanent basis with all that entails. I would even consider RYR if I could say that in the month of February I will be only working xyz days. Beggars can’t be choosers as they have become now.
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Old 9th Oct 2017, 00:20
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You wanna be a TRE? Great, here's a months training where you earn nothing and pay your own hotels.
You can't be serious? Do people actually sign up for this? I mean, needing a job to pay the mortgage and feed the family is one thing, but the company needs you to be a TRE more than you need to be a TRE, so why on earth would anyone accept these conditions?
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Old 9th Oct 2017, 03:02
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ego is a very powerful thing
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Old 9th Oct 2017, 06:31
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They are now offering “bonus” to upgrade to captains. Its basically a 3 year bond!

Trying to lock in future capts. I hope they reject the pityful offer.
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Old 9th Oct 2017, 07:15
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Originally Posted by Sue Ridgepipe
You can't be serious? Do people actually sign up for this? I mean, needing a job to pay the mortgage and feed the family is one thing, but the company needs you to be a TRE more than you need to be a TRE, so why on earth would anyone accept these conditions?
Here is another story about how pilots are treated in Ryanair. I had a similar incident myself, in Ryanair. The day after, I applied for another job and a few weeks later, I resigned.
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Old 9th Oct 2017, 07:22
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When the model lauded by O'Leary and his ilk is so steeped in adversarial structure, is it suprising?

As the comment indicated, we are not indentured.

You are only a door mat if you lay down.

Anyone doubting how Mr O'Leary really feels about pilots ought watch again;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6yt...&feature=share

Qantas' Joyce spoke many a time with the same tone towards company employees in the lead up to grounding and locking them out (even those not involved in the dispute) Not JQ or Jetconnect of course!

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Old 9th Oct 2017, 08:32
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BBC interview with Kirsty Young.



Time to stick it to this smug little [your choice of a 4 letter word]. There's jobs for every single one of you 4,000 RYR pilots out there.
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Old 9th Oct 2017, 23:58
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Ryanair say it will not meet with body representing pilots

It is not like they have the choice.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/1009/91...yanair-pilots/
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