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Old 20th Oct 2017, 07:35
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Mc Ginley Aviation warning Stansted pilots to accept the offer from Ryanair and if they don’t,what then???????

Curious. If we assume the offers are for the direct employees only, what jurisdiction has McGinley over them? Is there something regarding the contractors that is not being reported? Are McGinley nervous that the whole contractor issue might come under scrutinty as a consequence of this whole affair. If so that would apply to all the agencies.
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Old 20th Oct 2017, 08:25
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McGinley along with Brookfield are protagonists in atypical employment race to the bottom labor schemes. Any “warning” should be ignored.

An opportunity for change was previously missed resulting in defeat by the Supreme Court of Ireland egregious decision. A chance to atone for that mistake currently presents itself.

With the recent ECJ decision on jurisdiction in their favor together with media coverage of unsavory contracts and conditions, any failure to act decisively and collectively will leave the victims to blame and future support pointless.

Victims should not be fooled into accepting union representation with service provider employers (as with Norwegian's pilots). Direct employment and union representation with the airline is required – the real employer.

Of course, there are some who reject the idea of being a victim and will not act. These creatures are usually the first in line demanding to receive the benefits made through the efforts and sacrifice of others.
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Old 20th Oct 2017, 17:44
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I'm hearing rumours out of STN that the deal has been rejected
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Old 20th Oct 2017, 18:06
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After Madrid, STN, Ryanair biggest base rejected the deal.

https://amp.independent.ie/business/...-36246768.html
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Old 20th Oct 2017, 18:17
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It's very interesting to see that O'Leary will go to any lengths possible to continue with his divide & conquer style, he thinks he knows the weak areas of the workforce and is going for it. Leopards cannot change their spots, O'Leary WILL NEVER change his attitude to his pilots. He may feign change but that's just a Pied Piper tactic.
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Old 20th Oct 2017, 18:41
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Stansted says NO!!!

https://www.pilots-unite.com/stansted-says-no/

Stansted says NO!!!October 20, 2017
Major action was taken today when the Stansted pilot body voted to reject the pay deal offered by Ryanair management in a 60% to 40% majority. Citing the refusal of management to enter negotiations with the pilots and the lack of guarantees for the terms offered, the largest pilot group in the Ryanair network has denied the chance for Ryanair management to ram a bad deal down the throats of the pilot body. Well done and congratulations to all of Stansted pilots who have taken the brave step to take back the terms of their own futures and in so doing has cleared away for other, more vulnerable bases to do the same! You make us proud!

So what are the next steps? Above all else, stay united and focused! We have a long way to go but look at what we have achieved in this short space of time. This is proof we are stronger together!

The ECJ ruled against Ryanair’s application of the law.
The Chief Operating Officer has lost his job.
Despite denying theres a Pilot shortage Ryanair are desperately contacting people individually on LinkedIn and other social media begging people to come back or join.
Michael O’Leary publicly and privately apologised to his staff and agreed for the first time that salaries were on the low side.
Italy has announced the start of strike action.
The Spanish cabin crew have formed a union.
The company initially made a quick offer of a few thousand euro on a “take it or leave it” basis. The arrogant, dismissive stance changed to an offer for a pilots to reach out to them to discuss issues. When pilots were not reaching out to them, they started phoning bases to arrange meetings. When pilots were not jumping at the chance to meet with Ryanair after learning there was no room for real, binding negotiations, management started phoning bases to bring offers to pilots.
Some management language is starting to shift to “what would we need to change in the offer to make you accept it?” with non-binding promises of base change transparency and other improvements to conditions.
While this is a marked shift in management’s attitude, there has been no guarantees of any binding changes to pilot contracts and without that, all of their talk means nothing, however, it is clear we are forcing change! It is clear that we can get to the negotiating tables for real change. Things are going to get more contentious now that management has fallen at their largest base! We need to stay focuses, strong, dedicated, UNITED!

Thank you Madrid! Thank you Stansted! We continue the battle!
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Old 20th Oct 2017, 19:57
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SWA had s very turbulent first 10 years of industrial relations. Then the company stabilised and strengthened. Now, we hear, it is one of the best US companies to work for, certainly in aviation. Strong profits, well rewarded staff. It has a strong union and respectful industrial relations. RYR's growth from B732 to B732 is 16 years. Is it not time to embrace the full model of the company RYR claims to emulate?
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Old 20th Oct 2017, 21:26
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Hmm how about an RNAV Visual but I don't want the red suits to feel left out as they've never even heard of such a thing. Dont worry VS into Nice works just fine
Having flown the Keren3 into LLBG many times, you're talking .
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Old 21st Oct 2017, 09:29
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SWA had s very turbulent first 10 years of industrial relations. Then the company stabilised and strengthened. Now, we hear, it is one of the best US companies to work for, certainly in aviation. Strong profits, well rewarded staff. It has a strong union and respectful industrial relations. RYR's growth from B732 to B732 is 16 years. Is it not time to embrace the full model of the company RYR claims to emulate?
Mmm
Herb Kelleher VS Michael O leary...
A company that is trying to be fun for it's passengers VS one that despises it's customers
A corporate culture in which Southwest employees take themselves lightly versus a corporate culture in which Ryanair staff are shafted and not lightly
A CEO that is well regarded by it's staff and the industry vs a CEO that is well regarded by bankers and ehhh bankers...

Well a lot of work to do I guess...
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Old 21st Oct 2017, 21:07
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Very good news from MAD and STN. They are big bases which will show good example to another bases. Hope other bases across Europe will join them. Only few more of these and then they can unite together and start proper actions towards management.

Remember;
Not a single good or massively improved contracts have ever done in Europe without threat of a strike or actually going on strike. It will happen in Ryanair as well.

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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 08:52
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Another point someone mentioned earlier that you get the outcome of a thing by the one you choose to deal with it. In this case Ryanair choose to bring back PB which could be said to be of the old guard. Times change and people may have a different approach to things so would be interesting to see if it's going to be more of the same or indeed a serious change to keep pilots instead of use-for-some-time-get money-for-training- and-replacement that seems to be used in the past.
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 14:35
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Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan
LNAV/VNAV then - not challenging.


Quite, but we don't get to choose our destination.


All depends. My current airline calls Salzburg Cat C. My last one didn't. It's the same airport now as it was then. So, from who's perspective are we commenting?

Jwscud, nothing to with my position as an aviation deity. If you find a 4 degree approach challenging I suspect you shouldn't be in the position that you're in.
Kindly do us all a favour and put a sock in it Chesty. Are you this arrogant in real life?

There are old pilots and there are bold pilots. But there is no....

I have flown many an approach into CCF in a 737-800. A 4 degree glide path, a 2000 metre runway and a wind component that on many an occasion was gusting up to 40kts.

If you don't envisage an approach like that being somewhat challenging then perhaps it is YOU that shouldn't be sitting in the seat you are sitting in.
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 15:11
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Envisage?

I know it isn't.
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Hey peeps, take your RNAV and dick mesuring contest out of this room, there is plenty of place in this forum for this discussion. Wrong thread.
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 18:07
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Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan
Envisage?

I know it isn't.
Mr/Mrs/ Ms Morgan

There appears to be no hope for you.

As previously suggested .. wind your neck in .. your over confident and supercilious attitude, it might be argued, sets a bad example for the new guys or girls in the right hand seat. ( Could be that's where you are at the moment .. who knows ?).
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 19:38
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That's ok, I don't rely on hope.

Alternatively giving someone the confidence to fly, what you'd consider to be, a challenging approach does wonders for them and their ability. Maybe you should come flying with me...
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 21:24
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Can we stop this "there was this one time in band camp" rhetoric of comparing approaches we have made

This thread isn't an online ego contest or for working out who is the bestestest pilot..
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 09:13
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This thread isn't an online ego contest or for working out who is the bestestest pilot..

Indeed: this thread is supposed to be about RYR cancelling flights.
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 09:45
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Chesty....We all agree that you are probably the best pilot that ever lived, that women want to be with you and men want to be you!!

Now lets get this thread back on topic.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...e-rejects-deal
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Old 23rd Oct 2017, 10:34
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Exactly, can we get this thread back on track? Why do certain pilots feel the propensity to willy wave at every opportunity?

Important times at FR. STN & MAD bases reject their ‘deal,’ the flow towards the exit door doesn’t seem to be abating and Bellew returning as the White Knight. I hope the pilots hold firm. They deserve a positive outcome
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