Ryanair Cancelling flights!
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Ryanair will never have a pilot shortage
Always worth seeing again, as told by the man himself!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6yt...&feature=share
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6yt...&feature=share
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Quite the dissertation but he was probably right in some respects where pilot supply is concerned.
But you understand that once the current fracas subsides, Ryanair will soldier on pretty much as if nothing had happened ? You get that, right ?
And the public's reaction ? They have repeatedly proven there's no limit to the mistreatment they'll endure for the right ticket price. Their "outrage" can also be ignored. You can bet MOL knows that.
Actions speak louder than words...for pilots and passengers.
But you understand that once the current fracas subsides, Ryanair will soldier on pretty much as if nothing had happened ? You get that, right ?
And the public's reaction ? They have repeatedly proven there's no limit to the mistreatment they'll endure for the right ticket price. Their "outrage" can also be ignored. You can bet MOL knows that.
Actions speak louder than words...for pilots and passengers.
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From: Ilmington, Warwickshire
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fly4more Yes monetization is prevalent as pilots have to pay for recurrent simulator training, initial training (at a steep premium) and also in many cases as a contractor you need to pay and accountant under a self employment scheme despite working for only one employer etc
Last edited by RobsonCanolo; 8th October 2017 at 16:17.
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From: last time I looked I was still here.
Is it true F/O's have to pay all their expenses during command upgrades? What about salary during the process? No flight pay for RYR contracts, perhaps, and nowt for the contractors who are only paid to fly.
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All expenses paid by the pilot. Paid as normal (Salary and flight pay for employee/flight pay for contractor) no pay when on the ground/SIM (just basic for employees). Same for all training at FR. You wanna be a TRE? Great, here's a months training where you earn nothing and pay your own hotels.
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If I took a contract with RYR as self employed, then I’m selling my services to them. Would it be possible to say that I’m doing 4 days a week say Wednesday to Saturday or a different combo. What I understand is you only get paid for what you do so can’t see a problem there. Win win for both. Or ? Surely they would be happy that anyone will help them out.
It’s not always about the money but quality of life !
It’s not always about the money but quality of life !
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Not sure what “se” services are ? You hire out your services on an hourly basis. I know some planning from your customer, in this case RYR needs to be fulfilled for planning purposes. But surely if you’re self employed you dictate when, what and where you want to work. Or am I missing something. If you want an employee you hire somebody on a permanent basis with all that entails. I would even consider RYR if I could say that in the month of February I will be only working xyz days. Beggars can’t be choosers as they have become now.
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You wanna be a TRE? Great, here's a months training where you earn nothing and pay your own hotels.
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Here is another story about how pilots are treated in Ryanair. I had a similar incident myself, in Ryanair. The day after, I applied for another job and a few weeks later, I resigned.
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When the model lauded by O'Leary and his ilk is so steeped in adversarial structure, is it suprising?
As the comment indicated, we are not indentured.
You are only a door mat if you lay down.
Anyone doubting how Mr O'Leary really feels about pilots ought watch again;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6yt...&feature=share
Qantas' Joyce spoke many a time with the same tone towards company employees in the lead up to grounding and locking them out (even those not involved in the dispute) Not JQ or Jetconnect of course!
As the comment indicated, we are not indentured.
You are only a door mat if you lay down.
Anyone doubting how Mr O'Leary really feels about pilots ought watch again;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6yt...&feature=share
Qantas' Joyce spoke many a time with the same tone towards company employees in the lead up to grounding and locking them out (even those not involved in the dispute) Not JQ or Jetconnect of course!
Last edited by Rated De; 9th October 2017 at 07:26. Reason: typo!
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Ryanair say it will not meet with body representing pilots
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Indeed i don't have any first hand experience with these things but wouldn't be that surprising if they hit the ball back on the court once more saying more or less the same things until they know the guys have a good hand... It's unity that's the key for pilots, that's for sure at least...
