Ryanair Cancelling flights!
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Originally Posted by BARKINGMAD
Either a love bite or a pimple.
Wonder when the carbuncle will be lanced.........?
Wonder when the carbuncle will be lanced.........?
Looks like your fairygodmother heard you
The first big name to get launched ....sorry resign !
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...line-1.3247296
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Trust Mr O’Leary to add fuel to that inferno with his accusation that some pilots were being “precious about themselves” and “full of their own self-importance”. Not to mention jabs at the amount of hours they have to work.
Such thinking has preoccupied business school MBA's for decades.
It is not only airlines where teams of expensive accountants pour through accounts looking for ways to lower unit cost.
O'Leary's secret recipe isn't secret, it is replicated all throughout the airline industry. The same cocktail parties see these modern day romeo's swapping notes on the practices that made O'Leary a poster boy for ADVERSARIAL INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS.
Qantas (in Australia) even went as far as replicating an entire airline to isolate and control the mainline terms and conditions: It is called Jetstar.
They never imagined that their model had one fatal flaw; declining supply.
It is a structural shortage beginning with demographics and ending with an IR structure that at its genesis is a destructive, adversarial and divisive model. Where people are simply units of labour to be derided, outsourced and minimised endlessly.
Time for the mutinous pilots to book the gains they’ve made and pipe down?
If I were in their shoes I would at this point ask myself whether leopards ever really change their spots.
If I were in their shoes I would at this point ask myself whether leopards ever really change their spots.
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I was shown a copy of this letter at LGW this morning. [ and no ,,,, I definitely don't work for Ryanair]
Firstly , I questioned the authenticity of the letter as it's pretty universally acknowledged that this obnoxious little leprechaun doesn't do contrition.
The colleague who had shown me "the letter" reassured me that it wasn't a 'wind-up' , but all I could hear was a gearbox being crunched into reverse.
What's that old saying about , "if it sounds too good to be true".
No pressure from the shareholders then Michael ?
And there was daft old me thinking that it was Neil Kinnock who'd written "The longest suicide note in history".
Firstly , I questioned the authenticity of the letter as it's pretty universally acknowledged that this obnoxious little leprechaun doesn't do contrition.
The colleague who had shown me "the letter" reassured me that it wasn't a 'wind-up' , but all I could hear was a gearbox being crunched into reverse.
What's that old saying about , "if it sounds too good to be true".
No pressure from the shareholders then Michael ?
And there was daft old me thinking that it was Neil Kinnock who'd written "The longest suicide note in history".
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No, that was Michael Foot, one of the Five Feet brothers, Dingle, Hugh, John, Christopher .
These are NOT the
"Feet that in ancient time ..........."
These are NOT the
"Feet that in ancient time ..........."
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Ryanair will never have a pilot shortage
Always worth seeing again, as told by the man himself!
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Quite the dissertation but he was probably right in some respects where pilot supply is concerned.
But you understand that once the current fracas subsides, Ryanair will soldier on pretty much as if nothing had happened ? You get that, right ?
And the public's reaction ? They have repeatedly proven there's no limit to the mistreatment they'll endure for the right ticket price. Their "outrage" can also be ignored. You can bet MOL knows that.
Actions speak louder than words...for pilots and passengers.
But you understand that once the current fracas subsides, Ryanair will soldier on pretty much as if nothing had happened ? You get that, right ?
And the public's reaction ? They have repeatedly proven there's no limit to the mistreatment they'll endure for the right ticket price. Their "outrage" can also be ignored. You can bet MOL knows that.
Actions speak louder than words...for pilots and passengers.
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fly4more Yes monetization is prevalent as pilots have to pay for recurrent simulator training, initial training (at a steep premium) and also in many cases as a contractor you need to pay and accountant under a self employment scheme despite working for only one employer etc
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Is it true F/O's have to pay all their expenses during command upgrades? What about salary during the process? No flight pay for RYR contracts, perhaps, and nowt for the contractors who are only paid to fly.
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All expenses paid by the pilot. Paid as normal (Salary and flight pay for employee/flight pay for contractor) no pay when on the ground/SIM (just basic for employees). Same for all training at FR. You wanna be a TRE? Great, here's a months training where you earn nothing and pay your own hotels.
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If I took a contract with RYR as self employed, then I’m selling my services to them. Would it be possible to say that I’m doing 4 days a week say Wednesday to Saturday or a different combo. What I understand is you only get paid for what you do so can’t see a problem there. Win win for both. Or ? Surely they would be happy that anyone will help them out.
It’s not always about the money but quality of life !
It’s not always about the money but quality of life !
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Not sure what “se” services are ? You hire out your services on an hourly basis. I know some planning from your customer, in this case RYR needs to be fulfilled for planning purposes. But surely if you’re self employed you dictate when, what and where you want to work. Or am I missing something. If you want an employee you hire somebody on a permanent basis with all that entails. I would even consider RYR if I could say that in the month of February I will be only working xyz days. Beggars can’t be choosers as they have become now.
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You wanna be a TRE? Great, here's a months training where you earn nothing and pay your own hotels.
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Originally Posted by Sue Ridgepipe
You can't be serious? Do people actually sign up for this? I mean, needing a job to pay the mortgage and feed the family is one thing, but the company needs you to be a TRE more than you need to be a TRE, so why on earth would anyone accept these conditions?
