Ryanair Cancelling flights!
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The last sentence In the article says it all. Let's hope Ryanair pilots will exercise wisdom and not be fooled by promises. Promises are easy to give and easy to renage on. What is required is systemic change. Anything short of that will be fools gold!
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From: last time I looked I was still here.
Still clinging to “local benchmarking” without recognising many pilots commute to their base and live elsewhere.
We are told that contractors have a fixed rate depending on which agency rents out your soul; and they have differing rates to each other, but it matters not which base you fly from. Thus it would seem 'bench marking' with local operators would not affect the majority.
Still clinging to “local benchmarking” without recognising many pilots commute to their base and live elsewhere.
Curious: MOL claims the Supreme Court (which country) ruled that the ERC model satisfies 'collective bargaining' guidelines. RYR admit that ERC's negotiate T's & C's for their respective base only: and then only for the very few RYR employees at that base. Thus, if the ERC's are local how can they be collective. Is that 'Irish' or not? Answers please from them who know.
We are told that contractors have a fixed rate depending on which agency rents out your soul; and they have differing rates to each other, but it matters not which base you fly from. Thus it would seem 'bench marking' with local operators would not affect the majority.
Still clinging to “local benchmarking” without recognising many pilots commute to their base and live elsewhere.
Curious: MOL claims the Supreme Court (which country) ruled that the ERC model satisfies 'collective bargaining' guidelines. RYR admit that ERC's negotiate T's & C's for their respective base only: and then only for the very few RYR employees at that base. Thus, if the ERC's are local how can they be collective. Is that 'Irish' or not? Answers please from them who know.
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From: on a beach
Ryanair turns on the charm.
https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/art...-s-time-to-run
https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/art...-s-time-to-run
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From: Dublin
At least somebody in the media has the measure of O'Leary:
Does that mean the end of the Ryanair investment case? No. Even if the wage bill increased by one-quarter, it would still report a very impressive 21 percent operating margin: twice what Easyjet Plc managed last year, according to my rough calculation.
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From: North
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From: Up there
The first head has rolled!
Looks like O'Leary is blaming everyone but himself.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...eave-1.3247296
Looks like O'Leary is blaming everyone but himself.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...eave-1.3247296
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I love this, especially the song at the end, and I genuinely can't tell if this is one of TF's impressions or not!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7VYWr2View
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7VYWr2View
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From: Location
Ryanair letter to pilots shows O’Leary still doesn't get it
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I'm wondering who at Ryanair is stupid enough to not realise that people don't want to stay, and introducing bond after bond isn't going to change anything - if anything it'll make people want to leave even more. Just like when they stopped allowing pilots to unfreeze their ATPL during the bi-annual simulator events. They think they can imprison people into staying, rather than enticing them with improved terms.
The exodus will continue, there are too many better options on the table right now.
The exodus will continue, there are too many better options on the table right now.
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From: last time I looked I was still here.
RYR have grounded 25%-ish of its fleet during the winter for the past few years. EZ started this by calculating it was cheaper to stop loss making routes and ground the a/c than to fly them with no demand. RYR seem to claim they will fly 25 fewer a/c so to give their hard working crews their well earned leave. What they omit to say is that these grounded a/c will not need crews, who therefore will not be paid. Contractors, both pilots & cabin will go without work and thus income for the winter months. But they can might still be rostered for unpaid SBY duties at a base that could be away from home at their own costs. Make your own judgements.
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From: ...............
Looks like your fairygodmother heard you
The first big name to get launched ....sorry resign !
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...line-1.3247296
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Trust Mr O’Leary to add fuel to that inferno with his accusation that some pilots were being “precious about themselves” and “full of their own self-importance”. Not to mention jabs at the amount of hours they have to work.
Such thinking has preoccupied business school MBA's for decades.
It is not only airlines where teams of expensive accountants pour through accounts looking for ways to lower unit cost.
O'Leary's secret recipe isn't secret, it is replicated all throughout the airline industry. The same cocktail parties see these modern day romeo's swapping notes on the practices that made O'Leary a poster boy for ADVERSARIAL INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS.
Qantas (in Australia) even went as far as replicating an entire airline to isolate and control the mainline terms and conditions: It is called Jetstar.
They never imagined that their model had one fatal flaw; declining supply.
It is a structural shortage beginning with demographics and ending with an IR structure that at its genesis is a destructive, adversarial and divisive model. Where people are simply units of labour to be derided, outsourced and minimised endlessly.
Time for the mutinous pilots to book the gains they’ve made and pipe down?
If I were in their shoes I would at this point ask myself whether leopards ever really change their spots.
If I were in their shoes I would at this point ask myself whether leopards ever really change their spots.
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From: Horsted Keynes, West Sussex.
I was shown a copy of this letter at LGW this morning. [ and no ,,,, I definitely don't work for Ryanair]
Firstly , I questioned the authenticity of the letter as it's pretty universally acknowledged that this obnoxious little leprechaun doesn't do contrition.
The colleague who had shown me "the letter" reassured me that it wasn't a 'wind-up' , but all I could hear was a gearbox being crunched into reverse.
What's that old saying about , "if it sounds too good to be true".
No pressure from the shareholders then Michael ?
And there was daft old me thinking that it was Neil Kinnock who'd written "The longest suicide note in history".
Firstly , I questioned the authenticity of the letter as it's pretty universally acknowledged that this obnoxious little leprechaun doesn't do contrition.
The colleague who had shown me "the letter" reassured me that it wasn't a 'wind-up' , but all I could hear was a gearbox being crunched into reverse.
What's that old saying about , "if it sounds too good to be true".
No pressure from the shareholders then Michael ?
And there was daft old me thinking that it was Neil Kinnock who'd written "The longest suicide note in history".
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From: Baston
No, that was Michael Foot, one of the Five Feet brothers, Dingle, Hugh, John, Christopher .
These are NOT the
"Feet that in ancient time ..........."
These are NOT the
"Feet that in ancient time ..........."
Last edited by langleybaston; 7th October 2017 at 15:27. Reason: errata and addenda