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Old 30th Sep 2017, 18:07
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Originally Posted by Bayerische View Post
Ryanair flight attendant lifts the lid on startling working conditions ? and plans for a revolt

Spreading to the cabin crew ranks now. It could be a perfect storm for O'Leary.


That just makes me sick to the pit of my stomach. When I worked in that quagmire of a so-called airline I witnessed young, new, bright cabin crew (male and female) from many different countries reduced to tears, talked down to, and basically ripped apart by disgusting bully base supervisors who's attitude can only be described as abhorrent!

It was VERY upsetting to watch.

This has been going on for long over a decade! And lets not fool ourselves here nor question this Daily Telegraph article - that article is 100% true and correct!

This sadistic, bullying culture doesn't come from within one RYR "base" - it comes form the top! The very top! From MOL - who has made all his profits from standing on the necks of crew - and all his other evil sheep at the top with him!

It's hard not to feel deep-seeded disdain for such a sick and twisted airline management culture!

THERE IS A MASSIVE RISK TO SAFETY HERE: As a captain it is my duty to absolutely ensure that all my crew FO, pursor and juniors are "on the ball", clewed in, focussed and know their stuff. And yet where is the certainty in knowing my crew are of sound mind and not distracted should an emergency evacuation be required, or if a rapid decompression occurred, on-board smoke, a fire, fumes, bomb threat... or any other non-normal situation - but all the cabin crew can think of is that viscious cowardly borderline "corporal punishment" they just received from some sick base supervisor who was given strict instructions from top management to do so! "Safety first" - gimme a break!

MOL has to go along with his twisted bullyboy cronies if any good is to be made of what is - at the moment - a nasty ass "airline".
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 20:27
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Originally Posted by Vokes55 View Post
Ryanair (Crewing) are now telling everybody who calls sick that they must contact one of the managers (D..R...) the following day. Upon which, said manager will then tell them that their sickness is suspicious, and that they cannot position home at the end of the week if they call sick the following day too. So essentially, Ryanair are now threatening anybody who calls sick.

Utterly illegal and in complete contempt of safety. When are the authorities going to act upon these cowboys?
Could try this form confidential reporting to the IAA. Maybe they have no choice but to act if people follow it up after the report.

https://www.iaa.ie/commercial-aviati...reporting-form

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Old 30th Sep 2017, 20:46
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"Asked for a response, Ryanair said: “Ryanair cabin crew earn up to €40,000 p.a. and enjoy great terms and conditions including job security, a recently negotiated five year pay deal with guaranteed pay increases, a five-on, three-off roster (a bank holiday weekend every week), a legal max of 900 flight hours p.a. (just 18 hours per week), great sales commissions which further boosts pay, free training, sick pay and an annual uniform payment of up to €425. This is why we currently have a waiting list of over 3,000 young people who all hope to join Ryanair’s cabin crew team, at a time when other airlines and their unions are negotiating job cuts, pension cuts and pay cuts. We don’t comment on rumour or speculation especially when it originates from competitor airline unions.”

Ryanair Cabin Crew making £40.000 a year, and only working 18 hours a week, when are the authorities going to stand up to such lies being told?
When is someone going to challenge MOL and Ryanair when they talk such rubbish to the press?

I would like to say having watch some of MOL's press conferences, the journalists that are there seems to be equally clueless and gutless, as they just sit there and accept all his BS.

I have seen some journalists asking for people to get in touch with them, but I would say these people who are responsible for the news are equally incompetent as journalists.
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 10:51
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Envy and hate seem to be sentiments that are infecting the current Ryanair situation.
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 10:57
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Envy? Envy of who?
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 11:19
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I think it was MOL's comments about pilots rather than the original cancellations which will prove to be his Ratner moment.
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 12:19
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Originally Posted by Above The Clouds View Post
hopefully his multi million pound/euro pension will be revoked.
That just show how little some knows about Ireland and the leader of Ryanair.
A missed pension is hardly going to bother a man who is, as close as make no difference, a billionaire and hovering around number 8 on the Sunday Times Irish rich list. He was one of the first in Ryanair to forego his final salary pension, years before he forced everyone else to follow suit. Besides, his pay is way below other comparable executives in similar scale positions.
His fortune was founded in the very early days when he negotiated a deal for a percentage of the profit with the Ryans. A deal that could not continue when Ryanair went public, and therefore was converted into a sizeable chunk of shares.
He is probably no longer in it for the money, but it does give him a powerbase and a platform where others reports/listens to/worries about his opinions and what he has to say. Maybe the time of enjoying that is coming to an end.
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 13:49
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If RYR call people that are in sick liars, just as the Flu season starts that is smart.
And a safety hazard.
And deny them to DeadHead home.

So with the same logic they can not DH inbound to start a duty at the end of a cold. Super.
What is next? A stool sample if stomach problem, send by Company Mail!

That could end up with dirty money,,,,

How about we close that can of worms! ( and germs)
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 14:48
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If FR cabin crew get paid so much how come every time there is a drop of snow flights get cancelled in their droves. Nothing operational just the fact the local busses are stuck / cancelled so the Cabin crew cannot get to work.
ODeary and spin go together
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 16:41
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Originally Posted by EFISchap View Post
That just makes me sick to the pit of my stomach. When I worked in that quagmire of a so-called airline I witnessed young, new, bright cabin crew (male and female) from many different countries reduced to tears, talked down to, and basically ripped apart by disgusting bully base supervisors who's attitude can only be described as abhorrent!

It was VERY upsetting to watch.

This has been going on for long over a decade! And lets not fool ourselves here nor question this Daily Telegraph article - that article is 100% true and correct!

This sadistic, bullying culture doesn't come from within one RYR "base" - it comes form the top! The very top! From MOL - who has made all his profits from standing on the necks of crew - and all his other evil sheep at the top with him!

It's hard not to feel deep-seeded disdain for such a sick and twisted airline management culture!

THERE IS A MASSIVE RISK TO SAFETY HERE: As a captain it is my duty to absolutely ensure that all my crew FO, pursor and juniors are "on the ball", clewed in, focussed and know their stuff. And yet where is the certainty in knowing my crew are of sound mind and not distracted should an emergency evacuation be required, or if a rapid decompression occurred, on-board smoke, a fire, fumes, bomb threat... or any other non-normal situation - but all the cabin crew can think of is that viscious cowardly borderline "corporal punishment" they just received from some sick base supervisor who was given strict instructions from top management to do so! "Safety first" - gimme a break!

MOL has to go along with his twisted bullyboy cronies if any good is to be made of what is - at the moment - a nasty ass "airline".
Bullying in the loco airline segment? Does this really go on?

Would the regulator NOT BE INTERESTED in this sort of thing? You mentioned it affects flight safety.

Surely if true there are laws against bullying?

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Old 1st Oct 2017, 17:50
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There’s many laws against quite a number of things.

However this is what Andrew Haines, CAA’s CEO, thinks about FR and their legal obligations
https://www.caa.co.uk/News/CAA-response-to-Ryanair-consumer-commitments/

FR spend a humongous amount on legal costs and appear content to do so. The collateral damage of doing business their way.

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Old 1st Oct 2017, 19:23
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Didn't FR spent some money and great effort to "trace" PPRuNe posters for "defamation" ?
https://www.sundaypost.com/news/uk-n...safety-claims/
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 21:44
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what was the outcome of that?
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Old 1st Oct 2017, 22:16
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsurmmelCC8

Omg, I cant help it loool
this interview was a few years go, in resume: pilots/cabin crew do not leave, they are very happy.
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 06:29
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Ryanair get out of jail free card?

Will the failure of Monarch ease up the market for pilots and allow Ryanair to escape from the hole it has dug for itself?
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 07:18
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Completely agree, the small "window of opportunity" is looking like it's over.
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 07:34
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Depends what the crew want to do there are tons of 737 and airbus jobs out there for experienced crew.

Even if they do decide to go across its 2-3 months before they will be through the training system and line training never mind signed off.

For those requiring a full type rating instead of differences training (which will be the majority) it will probably be longer. Currently they must a have 3-5 month backlog in training.

it certainly won't cure the problem overnight.
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 09:26
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Monarch pilots for RYR!

Firstly , my condolences to our Monarch colleagues.
I lost my job to bankruptcy, and it is a personal disaster.

As far as this helping RYR it is negative.
Why?:
MON has 35 AC and max 450 pilots. All Airbus.
This slots nicely into Easy,Wizz Vueling SASneo AerLingus etc plus wourldwide.

At best 50 will go for RYR.
The other will go to RYRs competitors to slot right into MON abandoned routes that RYR normally would take in a heartbeat.

But they cant, no crew , plenty aircraft. Tough luck for RYR.
Good lock to all Monarch pilots.
The 737 is a model T Ford.
Stay on the Airbus.
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 10:32
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The 737 is a model T Ford.
Stay on the Airbus.
I agree with that.
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 10:45
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Monarch flights cancelled as airline ceases trading - BBC News

and then some talk about pilot shortage lol
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