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Ryanair Cancelling flights!

Old 2nd Oct 2017, 10:55
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You absolute What is there to laugh out loud about hundreds of pilots and others losing their jobs.
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 11:40
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The 737 is the tractor of the aviation world and I think its widely accepted the Airbus is far more refined beast.

Only problem with Airbus it was built by engineers for engineers. Whereas Boeing built a plane for pilots.

"Greenlights". No laughing matter thats for sure been there.

Anyway good luck to the Monarch folk.
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 12:06
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To be honest, who really cares how antiquated the 738 is compared to the Airbus, the Monarch guys and girls probably won't care either, all they will want is employment and a wage coming in for Christmas, be that on an Airbus, 738 or a Dash 8.

Grennlights, you probably didn't mean to laugh, maybe it's the irony of what's happened and the industry is still short of pilots, I don't know, but seriously, no need.
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 13:16
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Originally Posted by ScouseGeordie View Post
You absolute What is there to laugh out loud about hundreds of pilots and others losing their jobs.
before insulting others, you should try to learn reading between lines.

Laugh was to people who keep claiming that there is a need in pilots...
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 14:20
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You decide the solution to a problem when you choose the person tasked to fix it. Setting the chief of personnel to sort out rostering is bound to lead to a manual solution with even more human resources, which there is no need for since the computerised rostering system has the ability of a nearly fully automated process provided you utilize all of it's features including long term requirements, analytics and crew holliday preference selection adjusted to availability.
Sometime companies that are in part highly regulated forget to adequately train the areas of the operation that is not. Internal training might in some cases be do the job, but one can't expect internal trainers to have full knowledge about all newly developed features in an outside sourced system without regular updates from the third party.
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 17:10
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Please forgive SLF ignorance: could the poor Monarch aircrew be easily hoovered up by Ryanair?
If so, I suppose good for them but it could defuse the crisis, which would be a pity as crew fight for better conditions.
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 17:32
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takes at least 3 months to induct someone if they don't have the type rating. That is if your training stream is empty. I suspect Ryanair's is backed up just now.

The other thing is most have airbus type ratings and there is no shortage of airbus jobs out there.
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 17:37
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Thank you very much
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 17:39
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Originally Posted by langleybaston View Post
Please forgive SLF ignorance: could the poor Monarch aircrew be easily hoovered up by Ryanair?
If so, I suppose good for them but it could defuse the crisis, which would be a pity as crew fight for better conditions.
MON = Airbus 320
FR = B 737
"easily" ?
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 20:02
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.....and there lies a problem. The public (MOL?) don't understand or even care what someone needs to do to sit in 1A or 1B. Surely an Airbus is exactly the same as a 737? They have a similar number of seats.
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 20:25
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I was reading these comments in the DT recently. These are paragraphs quoted from 3 different journalists discussing the London dispute with Uber. It made me make comparisons with some discussion going within our industry, and make comparisons with the topics under discussion. It also made me wonder why the similarities in our industry are NOT in focus and being debated in public. First it was Sports Direct, now Uber; when will an airline be the focus of attention on similar issues?

“While not mentioned by TFL, and not mentioned within the regulator’s remit, Uber has received a lot of criticism for the way it treats its drivers, who are self-employed instead of Uber workers. Politicians have rounded on the company as an emblem of the ‘gig economy’ that does not guarantee work benefits or a steady income for drivers. (That matter has become the subject of its own legal battle.)”

“London’s black cab drivers, and all private hire drivers in UK, deserve a level playing field with Uber. They don’t have one currently.”

“Uber is no stranger to controversy, whether that be for the record of its founder or for where it pays its taxes and how it treats its workers. All these things are real challenges. It’s right for them to be tackled.”

“Cynics might also suggest that the objections of TLF are veiled. Might it be that although TLF’s objections focus on safety concerns, what it actually objects to – and what the powerful trade union lobby who speak for London’s black cab drivers object to – is the flood of private hire vehicles on the street of the capital.”

“Others, like the GMB union, attack Uber for supposedly exploiting its drivers. They argue that Uber drivers are denied basic workers’ rights, like sick-pay, holiday leave and minimum wage. But Uber drivers are free to work for other providers, they choose their own hours, and polled the majority said they preferred the maintaining flexibility to having additional workers’ rights.”

The journalists also declared their own philosophy that Uber gave customers a choice; that it allowed free-wheeling entrepreneurship and markets forces to be in play; encouraged investment into job creation and broke closed shop cartels. i.e. if the customer benefited from lower prices and reasonable safe standards then all was right with the world.
The question of a how to create a level playing field, both in complying with the same regulations and workers’ rights, was not answered. They all seemed to come down on the side of free market business and passenger choice triumphed over basic employment conditions.
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 23:30
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Of course we know that passenger choice trades off risk for cheapness, but, hey-ho, who gives a until it hits the fan?.

My ar*e is seriously concerned!

As SLF I want a happy captain, a happy FO, and a happy cabin crew and am totally prepared to pay for it.

So which airline do I patronise in future please?
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Old 3rd Oct 2017, 07:19
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How about Flybe?
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Old 3rd Oct 2017, 08:56
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If this was a topic that had merit, then someone sufficiently concerned would surely provide this information to the public.

One can only assume either there is not that level of concern, so no-one has spoken out; the respective unions do not feel the need to speak out; the regulator is satisfied there is 'no associated risk to flight safety' (as the parrot said); and in any case, the public are not interested / do not care.

Cheap chocolates are tempting and very tasty.

Cheap flight tickets are too good to miss out on. Many people I know fly exclusively with one loco airline, as they know they will pay rock bottom fares - they do not care about the current situation; they do not care they always get back at 3 AM, etc, etc.

Who cares how they can possibly do it so cheaply, members of the public?
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Old 3rd Oct 2017, 16:25
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For what it is worth, although the Monarch demise is extremely unpleasant to those associated with it, I do not believe unemployment will be their lot for long. The overwhelming majority of those pilots will pick up other jobs very quickly indeed. Good luck to them all.
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Old 3rd Oct 2017, 17:05
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pilots will be fine...

Please remember the back office types as well though

Although Bromley and Luton shouldn't be to bad to pick up more work.
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Old 3rd Oct 2017, 18:48
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I sow that Virgin, Aer Lingus and EasyJet are already offering fast track entry to Monarch's pilots and cabin crew, which means MOL won't be able to dig himself out just yet.

Does anyone have any news about the plans of the FR pilots and cabin crew? Are they planning a surprise for MOL or did they bend over and took up their like they had for years?
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Old 3rd Oct 2017, 23:28
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That was really good to see today. Really hope all those crew get re-employed as soon as possible and very refreshing to see some kindness and compassion in an industry usually full of sharks.
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Old 4th Oct 2017, 12:12
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If you're eferring to the compassion shown by the comments on this board, I agree. If however you see the quick scooping up of the jobless pilots and crew as compassion, don't be fooled. It has nothing to do with compassion and most with a (beginning) pilot shortage in those other companies.
And what is better to scoop up recently fired crew who are current, have experience, need less/little trainigng and, but that is speculation, are eager to join and might not negotiate the best deal just to be able to pay the morgage again?

Fortunately it works out for both this time, assuming they do get hired there.
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Old 5th Oct 2017, 15:22
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Genuine question about the EI- Irish registry argument where staff pay less social tax than those employed locally (in a chocolate context)

If someone would buy a EI registered airframe, park it on a airport on the continent, buy the necessary equipment for making chocolate onboard and employ a great chocolatier and sell the product locally. Would you pay the going rate for the social in that case or do you still enjoy the EI-discount ?
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