Ryanair Cancelling flights!
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From: In your head.
I REALLY SHOULDN'T BE HERE
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My God, this letter reeks of desperation. I doubt it's worth the paper it is printed on. As soon as the rostering crisis abates it will be back to the same old 
. Fool me once: shame on you, fool me twice: shame on me.
. Fool me once: shame on you, fool me twice: shame on me.
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From: In an ever changing place
Yep someone is starting to realise there is a noose around his neck 'MOL' and its getting tighter. Guys and girls take heed what 'speed restriction' has mentioned above, the ball is firmly in your court to make significant changes within your industry once and for all.
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From: BHX LXR ASW
Now your favourite paper has got hold of it
Ryanair boss O'Leary sends begging letter to pilots | Daily Mail Online
Ryanair boss O'Leary sends begging letter to pilots | Daily Mail Online
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From: last time I looked I was still here.
That letter seems to be addressed primarily to those on RYR employee contracts. What % of 4200 pilots are those guys? Are cabin crew contractors or employees? Are they experiencing the same issues? If so, what is being offered to them?
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From: ...............
It should be remebered that Ryanair gained quite a considerable commercial advantage when they interpreted the 1st of April as an opertunity to 'Zero' pilots hours over a decade ago. Effectively ensuring all pilots were within hours for the busy peak season. It's taken a decade for the regulators to catch up.
As for MOL's 'road to Damascus ' memo yesterday, if anyone believes EW and MOL do charity it's time to wake up. Bench marking me Bo*lix Ryr pilots should be on 20% more as MOL and his team will spend the next 10 years clawing it back.
As for MOL's 'road to Damascus ' memo yesterday, if anyone believes EW and MOL do charity it's time to wake up. Bench marking me Bo*lix Ryr pilots should be on 20% more as MOL and his team will spend the next 10 years clawing it back.
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From: six micro tesla zone
Correct, the pilots shouldn’t sign any deal that doesn’t involve periodic pay reviews to ensure salaries are rising in line with inflation in the future!
Is the loyalty bonus going to be paid each year, or just this year?
What about things such as uniforms, tea coffee and water, airport passes, medical, passport etc. Still have to pay for all that?
This letter is a start, but it still leaves a lot to be desired!!
Is the loyalty bonus going to be paid each year, or just this year?
What about things such as uniforms, tea coffee and water, airport passes, medical, passport etc. Still have to pay for all that?
This letter is a start, but it still leaves a lot to be desired!!
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From: Germany
There is a lot of smoke and mirrors about pilot pay. As pointed out by Rat 5 it depends on what contract people are on and where they are based. The good news for everyone is that the biggest player (Ryanair) has finally recognised that pilot pay needs to improve, which should in the medium term be good for all of us if this develops into a bidding war for a scarce resource (experienced captains at least).
From a practical point of view it is unclear what Ryanair are actually offering. PPJN seems a reasonable source and suggests 125,000 euros for captains. But then it says you have to pay tax and national insurance in Ireland and where you are based, adding that in Germany this is some exorbitant amount.
It would be nice to be able to use this benchmark to drive up pay in our own companies. But frankly based on the information in the public domain (including Ryanair careers) I have no idea what Ryanair is actually offering. Anyone of their thousands of employees like to share something more substantial, ideally including a reasonable assessment of the new offer? If you are going to make a snarky comment please try to desist, as this is intended seriously and could help us all improve pay, thanks.
From a practical point of view it is unclear what Ryanair are actually offering. PPJN seems a reasonable source and suggests 125,000 euros for captains. But then it says you have to pay tax and national insurance in Ireland and where you are based, adding that in Germany this is some exorbitant amount.
It would be nice to be able to use this benchmark to drive up pay in our own companies. But frankly based on the information in the public domain (including Ryanair careers) I have no idea what Ryanair is actually offering. Anyone of their thousands of employees like to share something more substantial, ideally including a reasonable assessment of the new offer? If you are going to make a snarky comment please try to desist, as this is intended seriously and could help us all improve pay, thanks.
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Not worth the paper it is written on.
Virtually every single element of any proposed increase comes with a caveat attached.
Bearing in mind his inherent cynicism, in contrast to what the letter claims, all proposed increases need to be unconditional and effective as of now.
Not being a FR pilot though, I suspect he is still endeavouring to dodge the main issue, which is a move to ensure that every pilot working for FR is on a proper FR contract, not some ridiculous quasi-contract, dreamed up for all manner of reasons, but principally to emasculate aforementioned pilot.
You've nothing to fear MOL.
Southwest are doing nicely.
Virtually every single element of any proposed increase comes with a caveat attached.
Bearing in mind his inherent cynicism, in contrast to what the letter claims, all proposed increases need to be unconditional and effective as of now.
Not being a FR pilot though, I suspect he is still endeavouring to dodge the main issue, which is a move to ensure that every pilot working for FR is on a proper FR contract, not some ridiculous quasi-contract, dreamed up for all manner of reasons, but principally to emasculate aforementioned pilot.
You've nothing to fear MOL.
Southwest are doing nicely.
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From: fatigue land
Interestingly its currently Ryanair that are feeling this pinch, I know for a fact that other airlines are capitalising on this as they are expanding and have a requirement for pilots, if these pilots happen to be type rated then they'll take as many from Ryanair as they can.
There is one such UK airline that is doing this however they themselves don't realise that they aren't that far from having a pilot revolt especially from a groaning training department.Ryanair pilots are not alone they are just in the spotlight at the moment.
Just like the Ryanair mgt this other airlines mgt also have their heads in the sand however Ryanair's CEO is leading this and is accountable, with the other airline the Chairman is just get getting lied to by his senior flt ops managers who are telling him all is well. Like Ryanair its isn't.
The time for pilots is now, its time to highlight the deficiencies of our managers and senior managers and claim back what has been eroded over the last two decades.
As ex Ryan we we're divided and ruled, those left have opportunity to change how your treated but you need to change it now.
There is one such UK airline that is doing this however they themselves don't realise that they aren't that far from having a pilot revolt especially from a groaning training department.Ryanair pilots are not alone they are just in the spotlight at the moment.
Just like the Ryanair mgt this other airlines mgt also have their heads in the sand however Ryanair's CEO is leading this and is accountable, with the other airline the Chairman is just get getting lied to by his senior flt ops managers who are telling him all is well. Like Ryanair its isn't.
The time for pilots is now, its time to highlight the deficiencies of our managers and senior managers and claim back what has been eroded over the last two decades.
As ex Ryan we we're divided and ruled, those left have opportunity to change how your treated but you need to change it now.
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From: Wor Yerm
A new religion? Next week MOL will seek to become a practising Budist/Jew/Hindu/Jehovah’s Witness/Follower of the Devine Lightbulb (next week cross out those that do not apply). Apparently he’s also bought some of these. And isn’t he being so kind by making sure his pilots don’t do the wrong thing by leaving. Maybe if he allowed his staff to have proper contracts of employment and better terms and conditions he could save a fortune on administration, recruitment, selection and training. That is assuming they are not RYR profit centres.
Just out of interest, does this guy live in a house with curtains, carpet, wallpaper, front door and stuff like that? Or does he live in an easily hosed out caravan in Ballymun?
Just out of interest, does this guy live in a house with curtains, carpet, wallpaper, front door and stuff like that? Or does he live in an easily hosed out caravan in Ballymun?
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From: Sydney
“Reeking of desperation” or not, the letter includes the CEO’s signature. The signatory may be held to account, particularly if you are directly employed by Ryanair.
Does the signature of Bjorn Kjos appear on any agreement of terms and conditions between Norwegian and its rented pilots?
Does the signature of Bjorn Kjos appear on any agreement of terms and conditions between Norwegian and its rented pilots?
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From: gatwick
Well the question I would ask is? Are you sure that the signature of the CEO, it may be as of today, but by the time you want to hold him account will he still be the CEO. Of course as well as you believe one could hold MOL account for anything is definitely wishful thinking.
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Still clinging to “local benchmarking” without recognising many pilots commute to their base and live elsewhere.
Eddie Wilson is the company’s union buster in chief and is the man who took a flight all the way to Copenhagen just to tell the Danish Unions to **** off and fly home again.
Still trying to stick to the busted ERC and divide and conquer model.
Nice try but I hope my former colleagues don’t fall for it and stay strong.
Eddie Wilson is the company’s union buster in chief and is the man who took a flight all the way to Copenhagen just to tell the Danish Unions to **** off and fly home again.
Still trying to stick to the busted ERC and divide and conquer model.
Nice try but I hope my former colleagues don’t fall for it and stay strong.
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From: the forest from which little acorns do big oak trees grow.
At least somebody in the media has the measure of O'Leary:
Ryanair: Has Sky King Michael O'Leary really gone down on bended knee? | The Independent
Ryanair: Has Sky King Michael O'Leary really gone down on bended knee? | The Independent