Ryanair Cancelling flights!
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 270
Likes: 0
From: Cyprus
If leave is spread evenly throughout the year then it has no effect, but if you force pilots to not take leave in the summer peak then you build up a potential down line problem. I am sure MOL has not given out any more leave, he has just made 1/4/17 to 31/12/17 a 3 week leave year. The 900hr max hours is a continuous rolling one, I once had to be taken off a trip as I would have infringed this CAA (legal) limit.
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 41
Likes: 0
From: North
Here's enlightening text from IALPA about Ryanair.
https://ialpa.net/ialpa-analysis-of-...umbers-crisis/
The "leave allocations" is just a normal propaganda from Ryanair. They knew this was coming but they were too arrogant to do anything about it.
https://ialpa.net/ialpa-analysis-of-...umbers-crisis/
The "leave allocations" is just a normal propaganda from Ryanair. They knew this was coming but they were too arrogant to do anything about it.
Last edited by GScapture; 19th September 2017 at 07:39.
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 301
Likes: 0
From: Uk
As per the article.
New joiners in 2017 = 634 ( new Fo's) mainly
Leavers 2017 = 718 (experienced)
Net loss = 80pilots over all but 700 experienced pilots gone.
New frames 2016-2017 = 100
10 pilots per frame = 1000 extra pilots needed to fly those frames..
Add in the 700 experienced guys that have left.. you could say they are 1700 experienced pilots short to run the fleet.
Obviously it can be interpreted differently but outgoing experience can not be balanced with inexperienced new pilots.
New joiners in 2017 = 634 ( new Fo's) mainly
Leavers 2017 = 718 (experienced)
Net loss = 80pilots over all but 700 experienced pilots gone.
New frames 2016-2017 = 100
10 pilots per frame = 1000 extra pilots needed to fly those frames..
Add in the 700 experienced guys that have left.. you could say they are 1700 experienced pilots short to run the fleet.
Obviously it can be interpreted differently but outgoing experience can not be balanced with inexperienced new pilots.
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 110
Likes: 0
From: ...............
Pilots leaving Ryr is nothing new. What is interesting is over the last 3 years the calibre of people who have left it has been exponential. From lifer TRE's and trainers to young SFI 1500 hour talent. There has been a exodus of experience. Ryanair has dictated T &C's (or lack of) to an entire industry for nearly 2 decades. It seems now that the completely failed to grasp the fact that they are now the employer of last choice in a good employment market. For a company that makes over a billion euro a year they now need to consider the unthinkable ......and make their T & C's competitive. Will it happen.? My guess is they will tough it out until the winter schedule and rely on the public's goldfish memory.
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 755
Likes: 26
From: Dublin, Ireland. (No, I just live here.)
Full list of cancellations: https://static.rasset.ie/documents/n...cellations.pdf
(I'm flying DUB-EMA and back in a few weeks' time, looks like no cancellations at East Midlands at all.)
(I'm flying DUB-EMA and back in a few weeks' time, looks like no cancellations at East Midlands at all.)
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 591
Likes: 0
From: Escaped the sandpit 53° 32′ 9.19″ N, 9° 50′ 13.29″ E
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 41
Likes: 2
From: Earth
And we all know what's going to happen in Sept 18 "due to predicted losses in winter 18" we will be unable to pay the bonus. They are just waiting for another airline to go under and then the pilots will be back to square one. Short term fixes.
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 40
Likes: 0
From: Stable
And come the next financial crisis, which is always around the corner, the shares will go up and up. We would need a regulatory solution to the mess we have, but since the Brussels is populated in part by the bureaucrats in part by the free market zealots, realistically, we are doomed to the status quo.
Majority of pilots (or at least many) are already perfectly content with being moved around Europe like cattle, with absolutely no thought given to their family life.
Majority of pilots (or at least many) are already perfectly content with being moved around Europe like cattle, with absolutely no thought given to their family life.
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 98
Likes: 5
From: UK
From the outside, it appears to be the solution that was expected - throw a bit of cash at it as a sticking plaster without addressing what appears most likely the root cause - crew retention. Which is why I personally, as an experienced 737 pilot, wouldn't even contemplate working for Ryanair even though they have a base at my local airport.
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 4
Likes: 2
From: Limbo
MOL might be in for more trouble :- )
Ryanair offers pilots up to ?12,000 in one-off bonuses to work on days off - Independent.ie
Ryanair offers pilots up to ?12,000 in one-off bonuses to work on days off - Independent.ie
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 281
Likes: 0
From: Leeds, UK
other staff?
and when the pilots are threatening sickies etc to get their T+Cs improved are they also asking for the same improvements to be made to all the other Ryanair employees such as cabin staff etc?
thought not....
thought not....
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 250
Likes: 0
From: swanlake
MOL might be in for more trouble :- )
Ryanair offers pilots up to ?12,000 in one-off bonuses to work on days off - Independent.ie
Ryanair offers pilots up to ?12,000 in one-off bonuses to work on days off - Independent.ie
So you can work 10 days extra for nothing if you quit before that.
Its work more and retention tied up as one. Great way to increase pilots hours. Do it next year nd save again
:
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 99
Likes: 1
From: Location
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 288
Likes: 12
From: Asia
don't accept anything just leave. It's time to show who has the power.
Have you seen the thriller movie "Seven" ? if you have, you'll see when I'm saying :
If you accept what FR offers, they will win. If you leave, you win.
Have you seen the thriller movie "Seven" ? if you have, you'll see when I'm saying :
If you accept what FR offers, they will win. If you leave, you win.
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 99
Likes: 1
From: Location
The question is. 12000€, is it enough to keep you around an other year in an airline that has nothing to offer you, while you could build seniority elsewhere which can be critical in time to reach the eventual top scale or the left seat.
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 41
Likes: 0
From: North
The "bonus" is just a disgrace. They are just bonding people with even worse terms and conditions.
They need to do something now and immediately. Raise the day off payment up to 1000€ for cpt's and 500€ for FO's at least. Then on top of that the bonus without any conditions and new improved contracts. The new "extra" pay they are providing is just a one big joke, nothing more.
Well, nothing will change anyway, they will never change.
Just leave.
They need to do something now and immediately. Raise the day off payment up to 1000€ for cpt's and 500€ for FO's at least. Then on top of that the bonus without any conditions and new improved contracts. The new "extra" pay they are providing is just a one big joke, nothing more.
Well, nothing will change anyway, they will never change.
Just leave.