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Old 19th Sep 2017, 06:42
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If leave is spread evenly throughout the year then it has no effect, but if you force pilots to not take leave in the summer peak then you build up a potential down line problem. I am sure MOL has not given out any more leave, he has just made 1/4/17 to 31/12/17 a 3 week leave year. The 900hr max hours is a continuous rolling one, I once had to be taken off a trip as I would have infringed this CAA (legal) limit.
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 07:06
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Here's enlightening text from IALPA about Ryanair.

https://ialpa.net/ialpa-analysis-of-...umbers-crisis/

The "leave allocations" is just a normal propaganda from Ryanair. They knew this was coming but they were too arrogant to do anything about it.

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Old 19th Sep 2017, 07:20
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As per the article.

New joiners in 2017 = 634 ( new Fo's) mainly
Leavers 2017 = 718 (experienced)

Net loss = 80pilots over all but 700 experienced pilots gone.

New frames 2016-2017 = 100

10 pilots per frame = 1000 extra pilots needed to fly those frames..

Add in the 700 experienced guys that have left.. you could say they are 1700 experienced pilots short to run the fleet.

Obviously it can be interpreted differently but outgoing experience can not be balanced with inexperienced new pilots.
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 07:55
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Pilots leaving Ryr is nothing new. What is interesting is over the last 3 years the calibre of people who have left it has been exponential. From lifer TRE's and trainers to young SFI 1500 hour talent. There has been a exodus of experience. Ryanair has dictated T &C's (or lack of) to an entire industry for nearly 2 decades. It seems now that the completely failed to grasp the fact that they are now the employer of last choice in a good employment market. For a company that makes over a billion euro a year they now need to consider the unthinkable ......and make their T & C's competitive. Will it happen.? My guess is they will tough it out until the winter schedule and rely on the public's goldfish memory.
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 08:11
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Full list of cancellations: https://static.rasset.ie/documents/n...cellations.pdf

(I'm flying DUB-EMA and back in a few weeks' time, looks like no cancellations at East Midlands at all.)
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 09:01
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12.000 Bonus..... https://www.rte.ie/news/business/201...us-for-pilots/
paid in October 2018
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 09:34
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And we all know what's going to happen in Sept 18 "due to predicted losses in winter 18" we will be unable to pay the bonus. They are just waiting for another airline to go under and then the pilots will be back to square one. Short term fixes.
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 09:36
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Originally Posted by littco View Post
400million wiped off yesterday..

1billion today?!
LSE share price up 3% since the morning...
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 09:51
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..... and Easy Jet similar numbers.
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 10:28
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Originally Posted by TBSC View Post
LSE share price up 3% since the morning...
And come the next financial crisis, which is always around the corner, the shares will go up and up. We would need a regulatory solution to the mess we have, but since the Brussels is populated in part by the bureaucrats in part by the free market zealots, realistically, we are doomed to the status quo.

Majority of pilots (or at least many) are already perfectly content with being moved around Europe like cattle, with absolutely no thought given to their family life.
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 10:30
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From the outside, it appears to be the solution that was expected - throw a bit of cash at it as a sticking plaster without addressing what appears most likely the root cause - crew retention. Which is why I personally, as an experienced 737 pilot, wouldn't even contemplate working for Ryanair even though they have a base at my local airport.
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 11:54
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Hi GScapture. I am interested in hearing more about your experience at Ryanair.
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 12:22
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MOL might be in for more trouble :- )

Ryanair offers pilots up to ?12,000 in one-off bonuses to work on days off - Independent.ie
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 12:35
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other staff?

and when the pilots are threatening sickies etc to get their T+Cs improved are they also asking for the same improvements to be made to all the other Ryanair employees such as cabin staff etc?

thought not....
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 12:41
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Originally Posted by directmisbi View Post
SO..... a co-pilot for example would get €6000 for working 10 of their days off, must complete min of 800 hours and still be employed on 01 Oct 2018 to get it.
So you can work 10 days extra for nothing if you quit before that.

Its work more and retention tied up as one. Great way to increase pilots hours. Do it next year nd save again:
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 12:58
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Originally Posted by ExDubai View Post
12.000 Bonus..... https://www.rte.ie/news/business/201...us-for-pilots/
paid in October 2018
Hahaha bunch of crooks!
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 13:05
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don't accept anything just leave. It's time to show who has the power.

Have you seen the thriller movie "Seven" ? if you have, you'll see when I'm saying :
If you accept what FR offers, they will win. If you leave, you win.
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 13:16
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The question is. 12000, is it enough to keep you around an other year in an airline that has nothing to offer you, while you could build seniority elsewhere which can be critical in time to reach the eventual top scale or the left seat.
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 13:21
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The bonus looks more like a bond.
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 13:36
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The "bonus" is just a disgrace. They are just bonding people with even worse terms and conditions.

They need to do something now and immediately. Raise the day off payment up to 1000€ for cpt's and 500€ for FO's at least. Then on top of that the bonus without any conditions and new improved contracts. The new "extra" pay they are providing is just a one big joke, nothing more.

Well, nothing will change anyway, they will never change.

Just leave.
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