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Old 21st Jan 2018, 18:07
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The often mentioned productivity bonus? Is it a one off for the current year in order to mitigate the current pilot shortfall or will it be ongoing subject to the giving up of a few days come the next few years.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 23:35
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Originally Posted by CaptainSensible View Post
The often mentioned productivity bonus? Is it a one off for the current year in order to mitigate the current pilot shortfall or will it be ongoing subject to the giving up of a few days come the next few years.
It is ongoing.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 23:52
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Depone, are you the deluded, LTC in STN who has lost all creditibility in recent months?
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 10:19
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Instead of being offensive, perhaps you could explain why you say that?

This is the problem with PPRuNe. Because of anonymity, people feel free to aggressively attack anybody who speaks up. Yet, when you speak directly to people in the crewroom or flightdeck, everyone seems to broadly agree.

As I have said, the figures I mentioned are 100% correct for a line Captain. I make no comment on the company generally or its pay structures. I'm simply giving information on the new 'deal' because someone asked.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 12:29
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Except that you add the pension contribution from the company into your pay. Nobody else does this as it is not custom and practice any where. Except for Ryanair.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 12:35
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I was under the impression that most of us not nearing retirement wanted to have a negotiating agreement in place before considering a new deal...how does your so called 'basic salary' fair when your sick or need to take paternity leave?
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 08:38
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Originally Posted by Depone View Post
I might spend £500 a year on actual expenses, so frankly I regard my £6k as a part of my salary. .
How? I used to spend a lot more that that.

Medical £150 minimum
Uniform £50 minimum to replace old shirts and trousers
ID say £20 a year towards it and a new CRB
X4 nights hotel for sim recurrent £260
Car Park £75 a month I think it was
LOL think that was £80ish a month
Then of course water because no way I was putting my flask to the pink lipstick tip of the water fountain that had a green furry seal.
Food was my choice as I preferred M&S ready meals over left over home cooked or dodgy loco airline food even if it was free (which itís not)

No way you realistically only spend £500 a year of the expenses only on expenses unless you walk to work.
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 11:40
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Originally Posted by zerotohero View Post
no way I was putting my flask to the pink lipstick tip of the water fountain.
And in fact, those pink stains you see on the tip of the water fountain is actually stains of a bacteria called "serratia marcescens", not lipstick. Google it!

This was reported to Ryanair already in 2012 (shortly before I left). So this is actually still an issue?
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 12:49
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Bloody hell! just when you thought Ryanair couldn't get any worse.

On the plus side....MOL is a billionaire.
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 16:51
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Picking pennies

Just have in front of me the deals for various bases , the company insist for a vote (why would they need a vote so desperately if they say they are recognizing a new way to deal with us and just want us 20% better off??)
My situation would go up 18% total including pension . 8% not including th 33% Pension hike (again pension only if you also hike your contribution)
Please guys stop picking pennies and look at the political / moral / long term situation of the company .
Let’s stop looking at the finger , let’s look at the moon.
Thanks

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Old 24th Jan 2018, 00:25
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I understand Depone of just giving informative posts about the money.

Damianik is correct, I think we can all agree that the majority what the company does for employees is way below standards and not even remotely close to any other airline.

People should concentrate on bigger things. Leaving is always an option.
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 00:30
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It's so eazy....
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 00:44
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Again the fact you donít use all the money they pay us for expenses- doesnít mean the rest of us donít and doesnít mean the rest of us call it or treat it as Ďsalaryí. I for one spend about £1500 a year on income protection insurance and same again for private healthcare- both of which comes out of my net salary. Add to that food/water/Medical/uniform/car parking etc and I spend more than they give us. Remembering of course the £6k quoted is a gross figure NOT the net figure we actually receive.

The above things are only some of the perks provided free in other competitor airlines.

You arenít just stating facts by saying you treat expenses they pay us as salary, this is your opinion and misleading. Additionally adding the £12k productivity bonus to your salary is simply talking about maximum potential earnings and while is appears itís fairly straight forward to achieve, it is Ryanair that has convinced you to call this salary in order for it to sound better.

If you use £127k as the new deal not including pension, then letís minus the £6k expenses and that gives you £121k. For a fair comparison, EasyJetís maximum earnings (basic+ 15% loyalty bonus+ 5% personal bonus+sector pay) is over £140k not including pension or the benifits Ryanair gives us money for. It also doesnít include benifits Ryanair doesnít give us money for which include but not limited to an amazing (by comparison) staff travel system.

Whether youíre happy or not, Ryanairís new deal, which is designed to stop us leaving is miles away from its biggest competitor and the reason so many of us are still leaving.

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Old 24th Jan 2018, 11:05
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Originally Posted by VJW View Post
EasyJetís maximum earnings (basic+ 15% loyalty bonus+ 5% personal bonus+sector pay) is over £140k not including pension or the benifits Ryanair gives us money for. It also doesnít include benifits Ryanair doesnít give us money for which include but not limited to an amazing (by comparison) staff travel system.

Whether youíre happy or not, Ryanairís new deal, which is designed to stop us leaving is miles away from its biggest competitor and the reason so many of us are still leaving.
Be careful what you wish for. In some easyJet bases, there is NO loyalty bonus, only state pension, no fixed roster, state sick pay. it depends on the base!
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 13:15
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Ok Iím comparing the contract Iíve just signed to the one Iím serving notice for. And Ďtryingí to compare like for like with maximum possible earnings at both - which Iíve said again here and on my post above.

RYR will state every possible amount bonus/pension/expenses to bump up the Ďsoundí of the package. Most other airlines donít, but for comparison I did so itís easy to see thereís still a big difference.

For my own knowledge (and so I can double check) would you kindly let me know which bases donít not receive the Loyalty bonus at Easy.
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 13:23
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Spain (BCN and PMI) and AMS don't for sure.
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 13:32
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Ok interesting to know. Iíve a friend in pmi and itíll take more than no loyalty bonus before i start thinking heís got a bad deal.

Back to topic we were talking about UK RYR contracts and to avoid any further confusion Iím comparing it to the LGW Easy contract.
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 13:54
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Hmmm. I see what you're all saying about expensese. But nobody spends £6k on them!

I've always said this is a personal decision and many lifestyles are not suited to certain employers in this industry.

For instance, personally, I wouldn't want to be based in the London area, particularly around LGW because of the massive jump in property prices.

I'm based north of London and my reduced outgoings on property is greater than the alleged increase in take home pay offered by Easyjet.

Added to that, much debated 5/4 roster is indeed good for me, but for others it makes no difference.

Horses for courses.
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 17:06
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Since a few months easy is bonding for the type rating, no more money required upfront. at least that's what I was told by people recently been at the assessment.
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Old 24th Jan 2018, 17:14
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Yes thatís correct. For me itís about £22k over 36 months on the UK contract.

Even with this money removed Iíll be making more than I do in RYR. Please tell me what point it is youíre trying to make? Getting Ďclobberedí by paying us a more than Line Training Captainís make in RYR is a word I wouldnít chose to use.

A few of the comments above are beginning to imply that RYR is a better deal than Easy. Is that the intention of the last few comments?
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