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Old 18th Sep 2017, 21:06   #201 (permalink)
 
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Looks like the pilots is pissed off as well:





And this:


Someone who knows the deal the pilots in Italy have been offered?
Not able to answer your question but just need to point out that the common view in house, at least from pilots earlier is that the ERC (Employee Rep Committee) it is merely an exercise of ticking the box that Ryanair is having negotiations whith staff while indented to be totally ineffective.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 21:16   #202 (permalink)
 
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It will be interesting to see how they dig themselves out of this mess.

The simplistic nature of their model mixed with such a toxic company culture will make it hard to recover from this.

I hear they are already working on deferring deliveries, so maybe a severe cut to the program might get the show back on the road. The problem is lead times in getting experience, training trainers, and getting training done might push them a bit too far.

I remember in 2005 when they were chartering in a lot of other airlines to recover the program, but the airline was much smaller back then. Around that time easyjet was offering golden hellos of 30,000 gbp for type rated pilots. Unfortunately for Ryanair it looks like Norwegian has soaked up most of the sub charter capacity available.

Maybe the easy option out for them would be to buy Monarch and just have them fly large parts of the program until they can get on their feet again.

One can't help but have a bit of schadenfruede for odreary, this has certainly been building for a long time.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 21:19   #203 (permalink)

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Airline management just hate paying pilots "too much". Twas ever thus, just read Ernest K. Gann's "Fear is the Hunter". He cites the management greed from the 1930's, forcing pilots to ply their trade wherever they could.

The chickens are finally coming home to roost. And hopefully no big crashes will force the issue. Employ enough pilots, having trained them to high standards, and pay them very well. That will result in higher fares, greater safety, and no nonsense like walk-outs, strikes, grounding of new aircraft, or flight cancellations.

And people will pay a few quid more for their tickets. Airlines will pay their pilots salaries of a few thousand more. And all may then be well. I doubt it...
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 21:24   #204 (permalink)
 
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People will always pay, even if more expensive.
Travelling by air is not for poor. Sound harsh, but to me, poor take a car not a plane. No need to pay 20 euros for a flight. even 200eu is cheap actually and anybody can afford it by saving some money.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 21:38   #205 (permalink)
 
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Why would you go from RYR to Norwegian? You are still a contractor. Money still isn't great. Benefits arent either. I mean, there must be better options right now?
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 21:41   #206 (permalink)
 
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If they don't have a pilot shortage then we won't see new adverts for pilot recruitment. We won't see new incentives to entice people and we won't see excuses like "new airframes" as reasons for needing to recruit...
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 21:45   #207 (permalink)
 
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And they won't be trawling Brazil for EU qualified citizens with B737 ratings.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 21:51   #208 (permalink)
 
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Pilot shortage at Ryanair.

Does anyone know the real story behind the flight cancelations. Did the company really not know the pilots had vacations coming or is Ryanair having retention or recruitment issues?

http://www.bnn.ca/ryanair-shares-tumble-as-airline-cancels-scores-of-flights-amid-pilot-shortage-1.859340
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 22:09   #209 (permalink)
 
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Why would you go from RYR to Norwegian? You are still a contractor. Money still isn't great. Benefits arent either. I mean, there must be better options right now?
Alot came over to Thomson in the last four years and many have since transferred onto 787 and 75/76 fleets.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 22:27   #210 (permalink)
 
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Everything is . Especially the latest memo.

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Old 18th Sep 2017, 22:34   #211 (permalink)
 
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Buying back leave is not going to help if a pilot is on 900hrs the max rolling limit. In fact giving the pilot leave is the best option because each week off allows the pilot to move away from the 900hr max by circa 20hr for the week off.
I suspect MOL has been refusing leave slots through the summer, with all pilots now on 900hrs he has hit the buffers, he needs to recruit more. it will be very difficult to get out of this hole.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 22:52   #212 (permalink)
 
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"Ryanair cancelling flights due pilot leave" was on our morning national (Downunder!!) news earlier today. Quite brief but Ryanair blaming new leave requirements for pilots and pilots blaming lack of resource (pilot resource I guess from what I read on this thread).
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 22:57   #213 (permalink)
 
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Simple get out of hole plan on the way no doubt.....cancel more flights!
Have they been pulling guys out the training department to crew flights? If so that might increase the training backlog which slows entry of new guys... line training etc... Besides a new 73 rated pilot starting today now would only be available after ground school, sim, line training, 3 months time?
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 22:59   #214 (permalink)
 
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 23:03   #215 (permalink)
 
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IMO this had more to do with politics (unions) than flight safety - Colgan Air is an example of an accident due to extreme fatigue not inexperience.
Actually, the cause of the crash was a result of icing on the wings. The pilots noticed the icing but failed to do anything about it as they believed it was safe. They also failed to react properly to the aircraft stalling.

Yes the flight crew were understandably fatigued but it was their lack of training (especially the captain's poor simulator performances) which caused that accident through and through.
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Old 18th Sep 2017, 23:57   #216 (permalink)
 
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MOL's take on the pilot shortage........listen to the arrogance just 12 months ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ytmFxB1ec

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Old 19th Sep 2017, 00:13   #217 (permalink)
 
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Irish newspaper believes RYR have lost 700 pilots in the last financial year..https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...25145?mode=amp
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 00:54   #218 (permalink)
 
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They only have themselves to blame regarding recruitment.
The world is full of experienced pilots, but many are not Boeing 737 rated Ryanair , for years, has scorned training experienced flight crew, without charging them Circa- 30,000 for their training.
What other industry would do this? And its now the norm in aviation.
When I started out, a good pilot was a professional
who had skills and experience in all flying, not just on one particular aircraft .
Crazily, Ryanair still want experienced pilots to deposit a significant amount of cash upfront to Ryanair, before they can obtain employment.
So who would ever do this ?
I wouldn't be comfortable if I was on the waiting list to join at the moment. Risky?
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 01:02   #219 (permalink)
 
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It is already make no sense to pay for your type rating in order to work, but even more ridiculous if you have airline experience.

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Old 19th Sep 2017, 04:19   #220 (permalink)
 
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Don't EZY do the same!? Even DECs still have to stump up the cash don't they?
Norwegian ask for the same initially however pay it back over three years so if you do your time it isn't so bad from what I heard.
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