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Old 12th Sep 2017, 11:50
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For context that's a 59% reduction in net income, wonderful!
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 11:52
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Some references t weather seem genuine.
On 10/09 e.g. Barcelona did not accept any inbound aircraft due weather for over an hour, many pilots had toehold or divert to suit their needs.
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 12:03
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Originally Posted by Bayerische View Post
Just to put things into perspective on how badly T's and C's have fallen.

A friend of mine got his command in Stansted with Ryanair in 2001. His net salary per month was roughly £5000.

Today 16 years later a Captain in Stansted earns roughly the same.
Is he complaining or doing anything about it?
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 13:20
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He is long gone.
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 15:29
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"Ryanair schrapte zes vluchten op Charleroi door gebrek aan personeel, niet door slecht weer" - HLN.be

According to this Belgian site (in Dutch), Ryanair cancelled 6 flights from Charleroi on Sunday due to lack of pilots, and not bad weather as they had claimed.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 19:32
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I would put my money on the in house vehicle for bargaining instead of currency fluctuations why the pay is the same. It's not a great development...
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 20:10
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What's the purpose of an airline?
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 21:28
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Salaries stay the same, profits rise. Hm? There must be a connection. Do the same calculation for euro bases and I suspect you'll find the same relationship, so Brexit is a red-herring.
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 10:41
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Anyone knows whats the excuse to cancel tomorrows flights ? https://www.cloud.scorebuddy.co.uk/ryanair-services/cancellations.php?date=2017-09-15
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 12:59
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Anything that damages MOL 's credibility must benefit the aviation industry overall.

Running an airline is not like tarmacing drive ways even if it has been profitable it has basically trashed the business and customer experience for everyone, employees and customers alike
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 14:13
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Funny you should say that...
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 15:23
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
Anything that damages MOL 's credibility must benefit the aviation industry overall.

Running an airline is not like tarmacing drive ways even if it has been profitable it has basically trashed the business and customer experience for everyone, employees and customers alike
Sorry, but I am one happy customer.

For me Ryanair provide reliable, punctual flights at a cost per mile a fraction of what it costs to travel on a UK train - and I've never had to stand in a packed aisle with Ryanair. Two delays in fifteen years. First - Luton-Dublin diverted to Shannon so was late back at Luton (not by much) to take us to Murcia. Second - fire in control tower at Murcia so had to be bussed to Alicante - handled very efficiently.
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 15:29
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Glad you like them, however this article sums up why I wouldn't want to fly with them, let alone work for them.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ryan...finds-1.786317
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 16:16
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Modelflyer I'm very pleased for you. Glad you've found the service so good over the years. The problem is that the low fares you enjoy come at the price of continually eroded terms and conditions over the years. This eventually reaches a tipping point as O'Leary is now finding out.

How about putting pressure on the management to treat the staff in a manner that stops swathes of resignations, stops pissing the rest of us off and creates a stable workforce that can maintain the schedule.

I hope you never get caught up in a cancellation because as the small print says, you're on your own.
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 17:46
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Sorry, but I am one happy customer.

Do you buy 'fair trade' coffee & veggies & jeans/clothing etc? Or do you buy the cheapest available? Cheapness comes at a price to the workers & suppliers. Cheap & good value are not the same thing. Mill workers conditions should not be part of 21st century in a hi-tech industry that demands high levels of education, entry cost, dedication, self-sufficiency, leadership, manuals & mental skills in multi-tasking environment while under stress, etc. Once you get to the raw bone there is nothing left to cut and nasty things start to happen. There is no muscle to support the core body and it starts to buckle then collapse. The world is full of examples and those at the top who had bank accounts filled with dosh as the walls burned around their ears.
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 18:10
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Sorry, but I am one happy customer.
This is why we can't have nice things.
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 18:54
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I wonder how's the 10k bonus thing going on..

Well nevertheless Ryanair will do whatever they can to continue the same story with the cost of employees health and money. At least some happy news today from ECA;

"Ryanair’s Irish fiction refuted by European Court of Justice.

"This ruling puts the convenient fantasy that aircraft registered in Ireland are somehow an airline's own ‘private kingdom’, to the flame”, says ECA Vice-President Jon Horne.

“This argument has been wrongly used to deny mobile workers all over Europe their fundamental rights and made them feel like subjects, not employees. The Court not only clearly states that a worker's home base is their place of employment, but – in addition – that it is the real home base that matters, not an invention by some crafty employers."
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 19:02
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Originally Posted by thetimesreader84 View Post
This is why we can't have nice things.
I'm not sure I understand why Ryanair is stopping you having nice things, but if it's a different type of flight you are after then turn up at your preferred airport and await the private jet you could charter. Nice as you like if you've got the money.

My comment certainly stirred up a bit of a hornets' nest it would appear.

However, it seems to me that flying has become a thing of, and for, the masses and as a consequence market forces will drive payscales like most other private-sector places.

Perhaps a corner will be turned soon.

I would applaud the flight deck person who came on the PA and said "We've all got crap wages so would you all please put £10 in the hat as it goes round and I will ensure it gets shared fairly amongst us".

I'm sure if the airlines find staffing a problem (reduced profiyability) things might improve.
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 19:21
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Originally Posted by Normal Pilot View Post
Why? care to expand on your comment?
The rumour is they intend to launch a direct entry command upgrade program for experienced FOs
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 19:28
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I think there's a more reasonable option between "chartering a private jet" and the FR model of "screwing as much as we can get out of our crews". A few quid (literally single digit numbers) on the ticket price would more than cover adequate Ts & Cs and probably leave enough over for a few bottles of fizz at the CEOs Christmas party.

But that's the issue with the world isn't it? At some point in the last 20 or so years, certainly in my lifetime, we went from "a rising tide lifts all boats" to a "I want as much as I can, for as little as possible".

Like I said, that's why we can't have nice things.
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