Norwegian B787 - LGW based
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From: Germany
What is the typical layover around the network? Sounds pretty good compared to what I am used to at my current employment. Is overtime in down time available from the 2 week published roster point?
How many days standby per month, and is this based on 2 hours/1 hour report?
How many days standby per month, and is this based on 2 hours/1 hour report?
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From: ZKPY
Now offering people in the holding pool for the Dreamliner to fly B737 from DUB or EDI on an OSM contract. 787 training bond is reduced by 950€/month while on the 737. Seniority is counted from the day of entry on the 737 and can be transferred onto the 787. Paid accommodation while on the assignment.
Joined: Jul 2009
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From: Coast to Coast...
They are offering 737 because they are desperate on that fleet too. You can say no without penalty. There is still plenty of movement wrt 787 hiring with dates of January being offered to latest joiners.
BTW, overtime payments are now here. Showing on a sample Global Crew contract I've seen. 1/10th of monthly salary paid as a daily rate.
BTW, overtime payments are now here. Showing on a sample Global Crew contract I've seen. 1/10th of monthly salary paid as a daily rate.
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From: Europe
I hope you don't mind that I post the following here, but I'm curious if there are similar conditions for contracts at other B787 bases.
I was shown a copy of the contract for working for OSM in Florida. I have never seen such a document for a job. I can only imagine that it might apply to a very highly paid, very sensitive position at an internet startup, or such. When you resign, or are asked to leave, it seems to say that you cannot work for any other company that might pose any kind of competition to OSM, for the subsequent two years. In other words, you cannot work as a pilot (or other aviation profession) in any part of the world they operate after you leave the company.
Perhaps I misread it - and I cannot post it out of respect for the person to whom it was sent - but it is quite intimidating as I read it. It goes so far as to say that if it is not shown to be valid in court, it could still be enforced. There is no provision for a pay increase during the time of the contract (3 years). There is no facility for a pension contribution, by either the company or the employee. The contract is extendable by 1 year on a renewable basis, after the first three years.
I don't mean to be critical of the company, but i am curious if anyone involved has seen such a document before. I have read of non compete clauses in contracts in the US. However the restriction of two years after leaving seems a violation of a person's human right to work, and to provide for themselves.
There is a restriction on doing any kind of other work - self employed or otherwise.
I have heard that the work environment is quite good, and that the management are reasonable. I was told that at a road show, they prided themselves in being the opposite to a middle eastern company in how they treated their people.
I realise that a contract is most likely the product of what is allowed by the laws of the base you're in. But the spirit of this contract seems to be hostile to the employee, and contrary to the culture the company purports to promote.
Any thoughts?
I was shown a copy of the contract for working for OSM in Florida. I have never seen such a document for a job. I can only imagine that it might apply to a very highly paid, very sensitive position at an internet startup, or such. When you resign, or are asked to leave, it seems to say that you cannot work for any other company that might pose any kind of competition to OSM, for the subsequent two years. In other words, you cannot work as a pilot (or other aviation profession) in any part of the world they operate after you leave the company.
Perhaps I misread it - and I cannot post it out of respect for the person to whom it was sent - but it is quite intimidating as I read it. It goes so far as to say that if it is not shown to be valid in court, it could still be enforced. There is no provision for a pay increase during the time of the contract (3 years). There is no facility for a pension contribution, by either the company or the employee. The contract is extendable by 1 year on a renewable basis, after the first three years.
I don't mean to be critical of the company, but i am curious if anyone involved has seen such a document before. I have read of non compete clauses in contracts in the US. However the restriction of two years after leaving seems a violation of a person's human right to work, and to provide for themselves.
There is a restriction on doing any kind of other work - self employed or otherwise.
I have heard that the work environment is quite good, and that the management are reasonable. I was told that at a road show, they prided themselves in being the opposite to a middle eastern company in how they treated their people.
I realise that a contract is most likely the product of what is allowed by the laws of the base you're in. But the spirit of this contract seems to be hostile to the employee, and contrary to the culture the company purports to promote.
Any thoughts?
Joined: Aug 2014
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From: Sand free now
Enter stage left....... Bondi.
There are hundreds of posts on numerous threads about OSM contracts.
RYR have replaced Norwegian as public enemy number one for the time being, but I doubt you will get many replies in defence.
There are hundreds of posts on numerous threads about OSM contracts.
RYR have replaced Norwegian as public enemy number one for the time being, but I doubt you will get many replies in defence.
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From: HonkyDong
I know it keeps being asked...seemingly without a confirmed response so what is the standard roster on the 787? If it's true you do a 10-14 day block away, it's not exactly ideal if you have a family. Any truth in this? Thanks.
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From: Next door but one
No good for families. No good for over 40s ! The roster could be upto 20 days away then a block of 10 off . From what I
saw. But it may have changed.
10days off a month not really worth it when many other options.
saw. But it may have changed.
10days off a month not really worth it when many other options.
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From: MC80 Home One type Star Cruiser
Contact Rishworth for example rosters and all the contract details for all the different bases. That's what they're for and they reply very quick.
The improved OSM contract after the initial 3 year contract seems to be a big secret though...
-Only 10 days off guaranteed. Given in blocks of 5+5 or 4+4+2 or random.
-Mostly W-patterns: From A to B to C to D to A.
-Some stand-by days to fill the gaps. Could be at home base or could be in a hotel somewhere else.
The improved OSM contract after the initial 3 year contract seems to be a big secret though...
-Only 10 days off guaranteed. Given in blocks of 5+5 or 4+4+2 or random.
-Mostly W-patterns: From A to B to C to D to A.
-Some stand-by days to fill the gaps. Could be at home base or could be in a hotel somewhere else.
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From: Coast to Coast...
I've heard that in practice many pilots are getting 11 and some even 12 days off per month. Also, very recently a new type of roster has been issued which gives a lot more STBYs at home.
According to their own admission, they are still working out how to roster for longhaul flights properly. They have plans to address the work/life balance but ultimately this cannot be done when you only have a couple of aircraft at a base and need W patterns to sustain the schedule in an economical and safe(delays) way.
According to their own admission, they are still working out how to roster for longhaul flights properly. They have plans to address the work/life balance but ultimately this cannot be done when you only have a couple of aircraft at a base and need W patterns to sustain the schedule in an economical and safe(delays) way.
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From: Germany
The sim program is standard OPC material, very fair and something no trained pilot should have a problem with. The challenge lies in working properly with your colleague, who might be from a different nationality with a different cultural mindset, is used to different SOPs, is like you maybe not rated on the 737 etc... in a time pressed environment (Sim time is limited) Application of CRM is key and what recruiters primarily look for besides displaying a base level of flying standard.
Interview is pretty standard, no pitfalls here.
Interview is pretty standard, no pitfalls here.
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From: Coast to Coast...
Very simple, you provide €35,000 up front paid into an account of the airline's/agency's choice and they pay it back by 1/3 every year up to 3 years. After 3 years, you owe nothing and get your money back and are free to leave if that's what you wish without penalty. Leave before and they keep the pro-rated amount.
If you are unwilling to pay the airline/agency then you can deposit into a bank account of your choice providing the bank can give the airline/agency a guarantee that they will be paid the cost of the training if you leave early. This way your money is safe in case the airline/agency disappear.
Not an easy thing to do, finding €35,000 but there you have it.
If you are unwilling to pay the airline/agency then you can deposit into a bank account of your choice providing the bank can give the airline/agency a guarantee that they will be paid the cost of the training if you leave early. This way your money is safe in case the airline/agency disappear.
Not an easy thing to do, finding €35,000 but there you have it.