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Norwegian B787 - LGW based

Old 28th Sep 2018, 10:53
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Hi guys,

A couple of questions regarding the contract - I've been umming and arring about applying recently having totally lost all confidence in my current employers management and structure, however I flew with a captain the other day who was ex Norwegian LH from LGW who brought me back down to earth slightly. My questions are as follows:

1) Is there a pension scheme?
2) Are W patterns still a theme at LGW? (I've read in this post that they no longer are, but is that 100% correct or is there still the occasional one?)
3) Is there a salary scale with increases per year/s of service?
4) What is the likelihood of getting your preferred base if successful in interview? (For me, LGW)

Thanks
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 13:45
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Originally Posted by ChrisE View Post
Hi guys,

A couple of questions regarding the contract - I've been umming and arring about applying recently having totally lost all confidence in my current employers management and structure, however I flew with a captain the other day who was ex Norwegian LH from LGW who brought me back down to earth slightly. My questions are as follows:

1) Is there a pension scheme?
2) Are W patterns still a theme at LGW? (I've read in this post that they no longer are, but is that 100% correct or is there still the occasional one?)
3) Is there a salary scale with increases per year/s of service?
4) What is the likelihood of getting your preferred base if successful in interview? (For me, LGW)

Thanks
Hi,
I can answer you 3 and 4.
After three years in lgw you'll be switching to osm where you will get additional block hour pay above 65hr. Don't have the exact numbers in my head but it's quite a lot.
And getting lgw is no problem. Every new pilot starts there. I got two of my preferred bases already straight away.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 12:27
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Can anyone give some clues about the interview in LGW base for DEC 787?
many thanks.

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Old 16th Mar 2019, 13:28
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Won’t be any more DEC onto the 787.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 15:17
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For the time being, there won't be any more upgrade for new joiners in probably a long time now. As it looks like, Short Haul is trying to force themselves into Long Haul, claiming the master seniority list. They also try to change the PIC requirements, so basically a 737 captain can directly go onto the 787, even without any kind of experience on the 787 or for that matter any wide body long haul aircraft (or any aircraft in NAT/ETOPS ops) at all.

Stay away until things go back to normal here.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 15:39
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So basically it works the same way as in many other airlines such as BA, LH, AA and so and so forth. The bitterness and supremacist expressions by certain Long Haul pilots the last few days has been quite tragic to see and hear.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 16:26
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Ummmm, not quite. BA, LH, AA and so forth pilots are all employed directly by their employers with completely guaranteed career paths and single AOCs. Norwegian LH (and SH) pilots are employed by various agencies and according to various terms and conditions on various AOCs (the Brits getting the worst deal and the French the best). Experienced FOs have come here for a relatively quick command, a feat only possible by product of distinct AOCs and employment terms where LH and SH are deemed two separate entities. Why else would they be attracted to the lowest paying LH FO position in the world? Some of them now may not even see a Cruise Relief Captain position let alone a command for 5 years. It's not the airline they signed up to.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 16:27
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[QUOTE. Some of them now may not even see a Cruise Relief Captain position let alone a command for 5 years. It's not the airline we signed up to.[/QUOTE]

Hahahahah! Brilliant! Every FO should get a command within 5 years - presumably because they deserve it/ it’s their right/ mummy says so... we all need to drink what you are drinking.
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 16:41
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Please climb down from your tree. No where did I say EVERY FO should get a command after 5 years. I'm talking about an opportunity/a shot/a crack at a command. The issue at hand is that the opportunity may no longer be there due to the company changing direction and favoring a group that was never part of the original equation. And it's not about status, it's about the bank balance. No one wants to be a LH pilot averaging a take home of £3,500 per month. Norwegian LH has mostly hired experienced FOs not 200 hours cadets!
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 17:56
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That's my doing actually FlipFlapFlop, he's innocent (I changed it). I wanted to make it sound more generic than a personal thing about me!
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Old 16th Mar 2019, 19:10
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Originally Posted by Smooth Airperator View Post
Ummmm, not quite. BA, LH, AA and so forth pilots are all employed directly by their employers with completely guaranteed career paths and single AOCs. Norwegian LH (and SH) pilots are employed by various agencies and according to various terms and conditions on various AOCs (the Brits getting the worst deal and the French the best). Experienced FOs have come here for a relatively quick command, a feat only possible by product of distinct AOCs and employment terms where LH and SH are deemed two separate entities. Why else would they be attracted to the lowest paying LH FO position in the world? Some of them now may not even see a Cruise Relief Captain position let alone a command for 5 years. It's not the airline they signed up to.
Maybe I'm missing something, and please tell me If I have, but isn't this actually desirable? Shouldn't all pilots working with the Norwegian banner on the side of their ships have the same conditions and have mixable career paths? How is this detrimental to the pilot body at large? I understand that it can set back commands for right seat pilots, and that wasn't what they planned for when joining, but long term it would probably be healthier for everyone in aviation if this horrible mix of contracts and T&C's disappeared.

Edit: and also this thing about the UK branch having the worst conditions in an airline spread over Europe seems to be a recurring thing. Any of you UK guys ever stop to think about why that is, given you having among the highest costs of living?

My 2 cents would have something to do with Mrs. Thatcher...
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 09:53
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Originally Posted by Icejock View Post
Won’t be any more DEC onto the 787.
Some still waiting in the pool since last year...
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 09:53
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I wholeheartedly agree, however many SFOs with 10+ years in the biz will be feeling pretty p***** off if they have to sacrifice themselves NOW for the horrible mix of contracts and T&Cs to disappear. Regarding your other question. We stop and think about it all the time.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 10:14
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Originally Posted by cumulustratus View Post
Edit: and also this thing about the UK branch having the worst conditions in an airline spread over Europe seems to be a recurring thing. Any of you UK guys ever stop to think about why that is, given you having among the highest costs of living?

My 2 cents would have something to do with Mrs. Thatcher...
....because most British are too polite and chivalrous for the their own good. We as a culture seem to take whatever crap is thrown at us a bit like the deal we've been handed by the EU. The Greeks for example didn't go so quietly, neither do the French i.e yellow vest or unions.
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 16:30
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Never join an airline of the promise of a quick command . Things change in a heart beat in this game. It seems to be a generation X thing .....this sense of entitlement to command.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 00:15
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Originally Posted by Meester proach View Post
Never join an airline of the promise of a quick command . Things change in a heart beat in this game. It seems to be a generation X thing .....this sense of entitlement to command.
Agree completely.
Airlines can only make vague promises.
Carreers speed up or slow down due to the economy.
We had people flying as second officers for 8 years.
We’ve also had guys that got their longhaul command at age 34
I’m captain 777 (11 years) and 787 (3 years) for a major European legacy carrier.
Took me 18 years to get long haul command (at age 47) which I think is normal at a major airline.
After 10 years airforce (F16’s), 3 years copilot B737 and 15 years copilot B747-400 and ERF.
So all in all actually 28 years into my flying carreer😉
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 07:04
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This is what is so systematically wrong with the aviation business kn Europe. People join, in this case, Norwegian LH, on TC’s that aren’t great to believe they have been promised a quick upgrade so they go somewherebelse. The problem with that is that somewhere else will be shit in the end. On top of that they go a cry out on an anonomous forum about it and tell people to stay away when.

I do not belive that the majority of people bashing Norwegian here understands the work the pilot corps within Norwegian has done to have acceptable TC’s that we have, especially the agreements in Scandinavia. We actually went on a strike for 12 days in 2015 for the benefit of all future joiners and not get a single improvement in our own terms. It was to secure a fair and transparent system for all pilots joining Norwegian in the future. Then to have some new joiners come here and piss on that is quite irritable.

Today our colleagues in Spain are facing difficulties and that is the time to unite and help each other and stop being cry-babies.
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Old 18th Mar 2019, 23:23
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I'm hearing the CEO resigned? Still nothing on the news.
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Old 19th Mar 2019, 04:50
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Originally Posted by Banana Joe View Post
I'm hearing the CEO resigned? Still nothing on the news.
The chairman according to FT
[..The chairman of troubled low-cost carrier Norwegian Air has announced he will step down in May. Bjorn Kise, who has been chairman since 2010, said he will resign after the company’s annual general meeting..]

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Old 19th Mar 2019, 07:32
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True according to FT
[..The chairman of troubled low-cost carrier Norwegian Air has announced he will step down in May. Bjorn Kise, who has been chairman since 2010, said he will resign after the company’s annual general meeting..]
So the chairman of the board, Bjørn Kise, will leave after the AGM.

That's not the same as the CEO, Bjørn Kjos, resigning.
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