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Norwegian B787 - LGW based

Old 1st Feb 2017, 19:48
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This is a very interesting article:

http://www.icenews.is/2017/01/16/ceo...#axzz4XSxrmcRH

“The agreement will contribute to the best possible collaboration between unions and the company [OSM] including not only adherence to International Labour Organization (ILO) core conventions on freedom of association, organising and collective bargaining, but also the guarantee of regular meetings between unions and management and the inclusion of grievance and arbitration procedures”

Unfortunately, the reality only confirms the gross hypocrisy of the Norwegian regime:

http://cabinassociation.org/wp-conte...est-Letter.pdf

“OSM wrote to the NCCA on December 15,2016 stating that they were cancelling the January 18th meeting due to a scheduling conflict affecting two (2) members of the NCCA bargaining team and would evaluate if the March 1st was still feasible.
The NCCA wrote several emails to OSM asking for the conflicting assignments be pulled so the NCCA can attend the previously agreed to bargaining session on January 18th with a final attempt being made on December 28, 2016. OSM denied all requests for the assignments of the NCCA bargaining team to be pulled”

So much for Norwegian's idea of labor relations.
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Old 1st Feb 2017, 20:02
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The agreement/implementation of a CLA between SEPLA & OSM/NAR is dragging its heels interminably . . . . mainly due to an attempt best described as "Union Busting" to pick over/ disagree/question every word in the proposed document by the NAR "Sharks". . . they really don't want to do it, and are dragging it out as long as possible whilst trying to avoid any scope clauses that may prevent them closing NAR ES & opening NAR ES #2 the next day with no CLA in place to question the "revised conditions". . . bunch of
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Old 8th Feb 2017, 15:43
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Norwegian B787 LGW...

Greetings guys,,

I wanted to ask about info with regards to commuting with Norwegian on the B787 out of LGW? Is it possible to do this to and from the Eastern Mediterranean for example? Is there commuting rosters or set patterns that allow this?

Im currently a skipper on the B777 for the last 6 years and looking to move back to Europe.

Any help or advise would most welcome.
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 09:09
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Hello Jetkopite,

Where do you live? It is possible you travel for free on the NAS network to and from work. Not all duty starts at LGW can also be one of the three big Skandinavien cities, Charles de Gaulle or Barcelona. You have a minimum of 10 days off a month and you can request the off pattern for ex 5+5 or 6+4. The 10 days is a minimum but can also be more not less. Almost everybody commutes so it is possible.

Hope it helps!
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 10:03
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Hi Mike thanks for your reply..

I am hoping to base myself out of Larnaca, Cyprus. When you say you can request blocks of 5/5, 6/4 how easy is this to achieve?? Also to achieve this can one expect to work 7 days on in a row with back to back trips??

Also would love to know how the pilots see the airline in terms of atmosphere and being respected by management.

Thanks once again :-))
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 10:59
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Are Norwegian finding it difficult to find crews for the 787 considering how poor the contract on offer is and the uncertainty of the operation. A 3 year contract speaks for itself.
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 16:43
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Yoland

Please elaborate on uncertainty of the operation or stop trying to be a smarty pants
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 18:35
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Or point him at the other identical thread currently live.
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 19:47
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Almost everybody commutes so it is possible.
How realistic is it commuting with Norwegian to work? and where are people commuting from? Does the LGW contract too have only pass rights on the long haul routes only?

for ex 5+5 or 6+4
Does that mean a typical roster is 5 on 5 off or 6 on 4 off? can anyone post a typical 787 roster?
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Old 9th Feb 2017, 20:41
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Does that mean a typical roster is 5 on 5 off or 6 on 4 off? can anyone post a typical 787 roster?
I think it means you can chose to have 2 blocks of 5 days off or one block of 6 day off plus another of 4 days off.
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 10:08
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INKJET
I happily stand corrected but a 3 year renewable CONTRACT on offer isn't exactly enticing. Just my view but i guess nothing is certain in this world except one thing.
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 13:57
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4 things no ? death, taxes, nurses, and an ex. . . . . . .
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Old 10th Feb 2017, 21:38
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Just to be clear on this, as it keeps coming up.

It's a three year contract with rishworth, after which it's an open ended contract with OSM.
You have to swap. That's the deal .
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Old 11th Feb 2017, 12:01
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Whats the difference between the 2 agencies?? They offer the same deal??
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Old 11th Feb 2017, 12:33
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No they don't. Pay is better after the switch.

There's whole threads on this
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Old 14th Feb 2017, 21:09
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Sort of been waiting for clarification/conformation of new starter FO on this thread.

I think we are saying....

Years 1-3 with Rishworth on contract to Norwegian ? Figures in NOK on PPJN apply.

Year 3 onwards with OSM. Better figures (again on PPJN in Euro and NOK) but still no direct contract with Norwegian.

So never any direct relationship with your actual employer.

The question I have, and I still believe it perfectly reasonable to ask and yet I cannot see it has ever been answered, is if Norwegian take a dislike to you (wear your hat incorrectly, upset a management type, are late to report a couple of times) and they "return" you to Rishworth/OSM, what happens and what recourse do you have under UK employment law?
As far as I can see you are then left in "dispute" with an agency with absolutely no chance of satisfactory resolution. My understanding of agency contracts is that the ultimate employer can return individuals to the agency for any reason they choose and do not have to justify why they no longer want an individual on their flight decks.

And do Rishworth pay UK taxes and National Insurance on behalf of the agency pilots they place with Norwegian or are they self employed?
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 08:27
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Anyone waiting +1,5 months for results of the online assessment?
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 09:22
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Sooner or later a judge will give you the answer. And that's the problem...
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 09:25
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@dreamflight1;

Completed the tests mid December haven't heard anything since. Anyone else in a similar situation? Thought Norwegian were desperate for pilots?
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 09:53
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OSM take the stance that you are an employee solely with them.
For example, if you wanted, as I did, to take advantage of the 737 'winter downsizing', and take a short contract with an overseas company, OSM robustly stated that I work for them, and only them. To work on any contract elsewhere would require my resignation, first. However, to take advantage of the 'winter downsizing' would entail taking unpaid leave.
This is a different stance to that taken by ARPI.

So. If one is an employee of OSM, and Norwegian choose to no longer use your services, surely OSM are obliged to continue the permanent and full time employment, with permanent and full time basic salary.
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