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Jet2 Autumn 2014

Old 24th Jan 2015, 11:40
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Just the fact that a hell of a lot of ex-Jet2 pilots are now to be found in Ryanair tells you all you need to know!
This comment can be reversed. Plenty of FR drivers from both seats are in Jet2 now. I know numerous who wouldn't look back. Horses for courses I suppose. If you can join FR at the base you want and get over the 'contractor' crap then it's fine. Plenty have joined Jet2 to get away from the BRK/STM debacle and the fact that they are or potentially could be based a million miles from home. I can understand the arguments for joining either airline.
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 09:53
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Vmike

I can understand that ! In all my dealings RB I arrived at the conclusion that he was one of the very best people in the industry.
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Old 30th Jan 2015, 23:52
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Never heard anything nice about Jet2 to be honest-full of ex-forces clique apparently who aren't to be trusted even amongst themselves.
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Old 1st Feb 2015, 18:16
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Personally I cannot equate to all the negative comments about Jet2. Too many people with axes to grind I think. The Company is not perfect (show me one that is) but there is a genuine effort to improve things and progress. Standards are high (maybe that is some people's problem?) and virtually all the people I meet and fly with are high quality and excellent company from both a personal and professional perspective.
If you don't like it go somewhere else - you spend too long working to be so bitter and twisted!
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Old 1st Feb 2015, 18:20
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Mach 79. As an ex forces person, who served my country with a pretty fair degree of dedication and loyalty for 25 years, and now working at Jet2, I would like to know how exactly is it that I am not to be trusted? There are a fair number (still a smallish minority) of ex military pilots within Jet2, but I know of no cliques or funny handshakes, and I certainly have not had any preferential treatment as a result of my background or experience. What makes you - apparently an expert judge of people's moral character - able to pronounce so firmly on people you have no direct knowledge of. It is true that we as a group tend to get on with things and not complain a lot - which is not to say we don't maintain standards or question authority. We are just used to being bu####ed around by professionals in the services, so the many annoyances in civil aviation seem somewhat trivial by comparison.Please remember that hiding behind the anonymity of the internet does not entitle you to spout spiteful garbage. I am sure you don't want to be labelled a troll do you?

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Old 1st Feb 2015, 19:14
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Talking

The thing is with pilots in Jet2 is they fall into a number of categories:

#Cadets...lots of them! Or have only done Jet2 - Not a problem, but haven't a clue what's good or bad!

#Ex Airforce! Point above totally proved by retro! Haven't a clue what a good airline is!

#First 'Big Jet' - lots of ex BMI Regional who wouldn't have a clue what a quality charter airline is all about!

#Ex Turbo-Prop, first Jet! Most ex Eastern, then to Jet2! Haven't even come close to seeing a good employer yet!

Talk to all those in the crew room who have experienced quality employers/management, all are "it'll do until something else..." Sums up Jet2 to a tee!

So, how many new managers/Directors this week?!?
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Old 1st Feb 2015, 19:36
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Sean you do talk out of your arse. You've missed some categories off your list too.
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Old 1st Feb 2015, 19:51
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That about sums Jet2 up for me. To the guy on the last page, label me a troll, there are problems with jet2, no doubt about it, but it pays the wages and is good for locality. But, many at the company have had a problem with certain people that can be construed as a clique. I wish it was different but its poisoned in ways.
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Old 3rd Feb 2015, 22:59
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Yeh, Sean, I'm a Jet2'ie & it suits me. I mean, home every night, paid on time, a package of 95K/yr for <400 hrs/yr ain't too bad a gig after nearly 30 years in the job....

And just for the record, I ain't ex-MIL, ex-Cadet, ex-BMI or any other regional.

I'm me, I've been around & have a little bit of experience & I'm very happy at Jet2, thanks very much
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Old 4th Feb 2015, 09:16
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Clique?

I'm ex-mil, and enjoying Jet2. However I'm now a bit worried as no one has invited me to join a clique

With mates flying for a lot of different airlines I am under no doubt that our package is not as good as some, but way better than others. My experience on the flight deck has been thoroughly enjoyable, and the guys I have flown with have all had great stories to share and been thoroughly professional.

It takes a fair bit for me to raise my head above the parapet on here - but some of the extreme negative views simply do not chime with my experience. I look forward to flying with our new hires and hearing their stories soon.
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Old 4th Feb 2015, 09:57
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Sssssshhhh

The first rule about the Jet2 Clique, is do not talk about the Jet2 Clique.
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Old 4th Feb 2015, 11:42
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ultimately will cause your own downfall when the HR police finally close in...
What a strange comment to make from Scratchingthesky! But there you have it, a wonderful and damning insight into the childish and 'interesting' culture that is Jet2! Thank you Scratchingthesky...and you're a happy one!
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Old 12th Feb 2015, 18:15
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Don't the resignation numbers, on both fleets, speak for themselves so far this winter?!?
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Old 12th Feb 2015, 19:24
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Well there's been quite a bit movement in the industry. Not just LS who have people moving on. With a fleet of 50+ there will always be larger numbers moving on.
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Old 12th Feb 2015, 20:58
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20+ flight crew resignations in 3 months is certainly not normal or good! That never happened in Leipzig! And no Brits left in that little potential "pool" as DADDY-OH so arrogantly tried to start a discussion about 12 months ago! Interesting what those that made the move think now...

Nice update from "The Plog" - said nothing as usual...wet leases an answer to appalling roster management, that's an interesting business decision!!!!
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Old 13th Feb 2015, 05:52
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Jet2 Autumn 2014

Any actual confirmed resignations this month though?
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Old 13th Feb 2015, 07:01
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50 Shades of Grey(battleship) & Red room of pain

There has been a lot of revolving doors this past few months amongst the main 737 operators, the main beneficiaries seem to have been Ryanair who have offered direct employment in your home (where you want to live) base and no Brookfield crap at least for DEC's

The most recent OCC's at FR have had DEC's from NAS/J2

Roster stability or more accurately lack of is the most common complaint about J2 some of the disruption is off the back of aircraft reliability, but most is poor planning, so unless you live close to a J2 base most find commuting very difficult.

How long FR's charm offensive keeps up is anyones guess.

After NAS botched winter crew reductions and forced base changes a few have voted with their feet, mainly to FR, yesterday's reported 100m+ loss at NAS won't help either.

I have already had several Zenon e mails about J2 Summer contract this past 10 days, hmmmm should i consider the red n silver room of pain?? in the end all will screw you
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Old 13th Feb 2015, 11:59
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It's really not that bad here and Honiley paints a ludicrously inaccurate picture.

As with most "review" sites, the people that take the time to comment have normally had a "bad" experience and the disproportionate number of poor-rated contributions do not reflect the real picture - PPRuNe seems to be no different (in this respect).
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Old 13th Feb 2015, 13:07
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I agree with goaroundnow. The negativity seen on PPRuNe re jet2 is far worse than that that I've experienced on the line. I've worked for another major uk airline so do have a baseline with which to compare jet2 to. While there are issues, notably with rostering, it's generally a nice place to work. Friendly crews, almost always 2 sector days, and about 750 hours per year (a lot less if you're on the 757). The vitriol on here really does surprise me and is just not necessary. We should be wanting all uk airlines to be successful and expanding. I just don't get why people waste all their energy being negative, it's just not worth it - if you don't like something, just ignore it (or in the case of those working for Jet2, apply somewhere better).
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Old 14th Feb 2015, 14:14
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There is a High court hearing soon between J2 and Balpa regarding "rostering". If they really are losing a lot of crew and roster patterns/lifestyle are part of the issue, it all seems a bit odd.


Balpa maintain that this is part of Pay, Working Hours, and Holidays scope, and the company should negotiate with it about pilots rosters. J2 disagree and a High court hearing will decide the matter.


12 employment cases for 2015- Publications - Eversheds International
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