Jet2 Autumn 2014
Joined: Oct 2007
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From: Location, Location
Not true - several well qualified, if not better qualified DECs, still on 70% contracts from last year.
I thought the question was about £100k contracts. No one I know has been offered anything more than the standard salary.
If you're talking about 100% full-time contracts - yes, all those I know who are joining/applied from this way are 100% but I can't speak for anyone else.
As for better qualified DECs - I'm just commenting on the thread for the purpose of providing information to the best of my knowledge, to those who are interested in joining... I'm not here to get into a debate about who is more qualified to do this job. If you want pick a fight about that one you need to speak to one of your English/UK colleagues at the offices. I was offered a job and accepted it, just like you did when you joined, no?
Anyway, look forward to working with you and being professional at all times buddy.
Joined: Nov 2013
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From: Citizen of the World
Hi guys.
I finished the verbal reasoning assessment last week on the career page. Upon completion i clicked 'complete' and it was sent across the North sea.
Looking at the assessments tab it said i still i had to do the test i just did. I sent them an email on the address i got for problems with the application. Does anyone know if they respond to it. And if yes in a fair amount of time?
Rgrds.
I finished the verbal reasoning assessment last week on the career page. Upon completion i clicked 'complete' and it was sent across the North sea.
Looking at the assessments tab it said i still i had to do the test i just did. I sent them an email on the address i got for problems with the application. Does anyone know if they respond to it. And if yes in a fair amount of time?
Rgrds.
Joined: Jan 2012
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From: UK
I stated a fact, Mr Good Cat, and you tell me I am looking for a fight!
You stated that you were joining on the same salary as everyone else - I am trying to point out that you are starting on a better salary than a number of people.
Fact - you are being offered 100% contract as a NTR DEC.
Fact - there are a reasonable number of NTR DEC (a couple are friends of mine) who are on 70% contracts having been just as honest and willing as you were at the interview. They are as well qualified (I'll drop the better qualified bit to keep the peace) as anyone from Emirates.
As for me - I answered the telephone questions from the pilot apprentice as honestly as I could. Still waiting but not the end of the world for me.
It would be a bit strange if I subsequently joined on 100% (and I would be as pleased as you obviously are) whilst people who joined before me are still on 70% .
Now do you see where I am coming from?
You are correct in saying that the problem is created at J2 Head Office.
You stated that you were joining on the same salary as everyone else - I am trying to point out that you are starting on a better salary than a number of people.
Fact - you are being offered 100% contract as a NTR DEC.
Fact - there are a reasonable number of NTR DEC (a couple are friends of mine) who are on 70% contracts having been just as honest and willing as you were at the interview. They are as well qualified (I'll drop the better qualified bit to keep the peace) as anyone from Emirates.
As for me - I answered the telephone questions from the pilot apprentice as honestly as I could. Still waiting but not the end of the world for me.
It would be a bit strange if I subsequently joined on 100% (and I would be as pleased as you obviously are) whilst people who joined before me are still on 70% .
Now do you see where I am coming from?
You are correct in saying that the problem is created at J2 Head Office.
Joined: Oct 2007
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From: Location, Location
Okay, I see where you are coming from on the 70% thing but I have no idea on Company politics I'm just coming to do my job as safely, efficiently and professionally as I can and go home at night and forget about work.
Any pilot will ALWAYS accept a suitable job offer irrespective of whether it affects current employees. I'm not saying it's right, it's just the way it is. I had a good reason to come home and I took the job
I wouldn't worry about delays on being contacted - most guys seem to have a wait before being contacted.
Any pilot will ALWAYS accept a suitable job offer irrespective of whether it affects current employees. I'm not saying it's right, it's just the way it is. I had a good reason to come home and I took the job
I wouldn't worry about delays on being contacted - most guys seem to have a wait before being contacted.
Last edited by Mr Good Cat; 31st August 2015 at 17:32. Reason: Grammar
Joined: Jun 2008
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From: Weaslebergville
Fair to assume that someone looking to come home from the sandpit will have a cv in at several companies? Maybe some empty seats on courses next march.
And just how much training capacity is available to get large numbers of NTR people on line in a sensible time scale?
Any moves to improve things for existing crew? Fix the leaks before putting more water in the bucket?
And just how much training capacity is available to get large numbers of NTR people on line in a sensible time scale?
Any moves to improve things for existing crew? Fix the leaks before putting more water in the bucket?
Joined: Apr 2008
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From: Somewhere
Any moves to improve things for existing crew? Fix the leaks before putting more water in the bucket?
But as with all things here, we'll wait and see if anything comes of it. Meanwhile, many people (from all ranks) keep looking and applying elsewhere.
I expect another winter of resignations unless they announce their retention plans in the next week or so. With virtually all airlines recruiting or planning to recruit, time is of the essence to improve morale and keep people from leaving.
They've scraped through in terms of crew this summer, but I think next will prove far more challenging.
As to training capacity, no, there isn't enough capacity to train vast numbers of NTR joiners, mainly due to the limited sectors in the winter, and the lack of trainers to train them.
Overall, it's not a bad place to work, there are lots of little things which need fixing, mostly stemming from the flying club era. Grown up terms, and grown up ideas are what's required. But generally, you go to work, work with some great people, and are tucked up in your own bed at nights, which has its advantages.
As the saying goes - beatings will continue until morale improves.
Joined: Jun 2001
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From: England
There are simply much better offers out there, North and South.
All the airlines are now struggling to get crews with experience. 20 years of diminishing t&cs, together with a much restricted cash flow for training just hasn't attracted the numbers of wannabes like we all once were(are!) And now a bun fight is starting with Emirates visiting Jet2 bases, and Jet2 doing exactly the same in Dubai.
Jet2 is a good place to work, but with a few small changes it could be a great place to have and finish a career.
All the airlines are now struggling to get crews with experience. 20 years of diminishing t&cs, together with a much restricted cash flow for training just hasn't attracted the numbers of wannabes like we all once were(are!) And now a bun fight is starting with Emirates visiting Jet2 bases, and Jet2 doing exactly the same in Dubai.
Jet2 is a good place to work, but with a few small changes it could be a great place to have and finish a career.
Joined: Mar 2005
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From: UK
With all due respect Silverhawk, that didn't answer the question in any way.
We all know there are big bucks to be had if you want to chase them around the globe but to those of us who wish to know their kids, keep their wives (or husbands) and see their family in the North of the UK.......there ain't much choice.
We all know there are big bucks to be had if you want to chase them around the globe but to those of us who wish to know their kids, keep their wives (or husbands) and see their family in the North of the UK.......there ain't much choice.
Joined: Jun 2001
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From: England
No it means I'll send you a PM with what colleagues at Easyjet, Ryanair and Thompson are telling me are telling me about their recruitment and current deals.
Plus the news from folk who've gone long haul with BA, but stayed living in the north.
Plus the news from folk who've gone long haul with BA, but stayed living in the north.
Joined: Apr 2013
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From: Scotland
27 new NG's but no Pilots required. Don't get excited these don't even come with window blinds and only replace some of the tat you guys have to fly. Maybe they will give you a decent salary now you have responsibility for Aircraft that are actually worth something!
Joined: Mar 2005
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From: UK
Although from the above list I don't see the holy grail. From my understanding Easy will base freeze captains for 5 years with no recruitment straight into the north. Ryanair MAY give you your desired base if you're lucky, no guarantees and it's still Ryanair. Thompson don't accept DECs.
As for BA commuting, yes it's an option but for those that value their time at home highly it will never be attractive. Also an unlikely choice for an already experienced captain.
I stand to be corrected on any of the above, genuinely.