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Old 4th Sep 2015, 10:22
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Join Date: Feb 2003
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To be fair VJW, I've been invited to assessment and I've got similar hours and experience to yourself so don't think hours (or lack thereof) are a requirement.
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 15:07
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Join Date: Jun 2007
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PFO for me as well. I received the same thing, the role wasn't for me. 6,000hrs, 1,000hrs jet time, non type rated.
Oh well, I'm not sure i could've afforded the pay cut. Good luck everyone else.
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 16:31
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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PFO as well.
Just over 50 so expected it really - still you've got to try.
Current medium jet captain, 10K+ hours - and for speedoneeighty the reason I was interested (apart from Thomson having a good rep and the chance to do some different flying) is that my current company is mainly TP with a dwindling jet fleet, threat of redundancy in the fairly recent past and a question in the back of my mind over whether the company will continue to operate any jets in the future.
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 16:52
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Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Europe
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I do have an invite. Non rated. It mentions a technical test. Is this aviation technical or problem solving, maths etc?

Are there huge gaps in certain bases that most likely you'll be sent if successful, or do you have some ability to at least express a preference?

I'd appreciate anybody who would be able to give an example of a summer roster on the PPY50. Thankyou.
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 17:19
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Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: European Administrative Area (Western District and Islands)
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PFO here. Well over 5000 hrs mostly command TP, no jet. Too near 50? Too many TP hours? ?(the Zimbabwean $ of flying experience; current rate 1 trillion TP / 1 jet). Maybe I they just didn't like my answers/examples on the form. Guess I'll never know, but as Resurgam says (and I think we work for the same company) you've got to try.

The timing of picking up the email as I disembarked with my family from my Thomson flight home today was awesome.
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 21:09
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Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Dublin
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Got the invitation today, 2500 tt, no jet, FO on small to heavy purple TPs.

Earliest day i can attend is in November however and may have another Jet job offer at the end of this month but hopefully they stall long enough that i can attend this! When are type rating courses planned do people know? Also i think i seen it mentioned earlier but is the reduced salary guaranteed to go to 100% after 5 years and most importantly are you paid the 81% from day one?

Thanks in advance, was pleasantly surprised to get the invite as I assumed there would be plenty of jet guys in front. For reference i answered the application questions very simply, no BS and no long essays, don't have time for that craic on an August roster!!!
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 21:53
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Join Date: Mar 2013
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I also received an invite. <2000 hours tt with about half of that amount on jet.

cg, my understanding is 81% from day one less an amount which depends on whether you are type rated or not. Or maybe its the same amount but 1 year for typed guys/girls and 3 years for non typed.

I also understand that it is mandatory for them to offer you 100% after 5 years.
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 08:58
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Join Date: Mar 2011
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cheers for the reply ONCB, without jet time could you expect an FO position or only SO? And does an SO become an FO automatically after 500 hrs on type or is there a process involved. When you take into account the 7k deduction every 3 years, which is ridiculously overpriced, and the time to command the position becomes a lot less attractive. For comparison if one was to join Jet2 for example you could probably be a Captain on 100% in the time it would take you get a full time FO position with Thompson. Or even if i was to get a command on the dash next year I would likely make more money over the next five years..... :I
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 09:16
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PFO for me 2300TT all jet, non typed 737. Think age might have something to do with it, even though no age discrimination, but still ask you on the application.
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 10:14
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Join Date: Aug 2010
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Invited to attend. 4000 hours, 3500 jet, all corporate (none on a BBJ / ACJ) good amount of P1 time.

Any insight on whether freelancing elsewhere in winter is permitted to alleviate the salary deficit or will that be stopped to avoid exceeding annual flying hours limits?
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 15:01
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Can I ask a few questions of those already in Thomson regarding the package on offer.

I understand the leave is 42 days per annum. Is this pro rated to 81% of that for those on a part time contract? I understand the leave available is based on seniority and also how many leave points you've accrued in the previous season, but how much leave is it possible to take in the summer? Is there any limit or is it just subject to the above? Do you still get wrap round days round leave?

There was mention earlier in this thread that blocks of days off are penalised in carmen. Has carmen got worse over the last few years or do you just have fewer crews? Is it still possible to get some say over the roster, say a preference for earlies, for example? Do you still have roster protection on all duties?

I know previously the staff travel was something like 1500 to give 70% off a Thomson holiday, do you know if this is what is on offer to new joiners?

Have the negotiations regarding the pension been settled and if so what is the offer going to be for new joiners? 10% company contributions was mentioned, what is the required employee contribution?

Thanks
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 15:19
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Join Date: May 2012
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Invitation to assessment.

Got the email also and looks like people have booked dates already.

As above if someone could shed some light on what to expect would be really helpful, as the email doesn't give much away... My experience is NTR currently flying turboprops and instructing before that.

Good luck to all the guys/girls through to the next stage.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 10:03
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Join Date: Sep 2015
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I have been invited, 800hrs on type.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 11:43
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Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: uk
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Case study

The case study is an excersize where you turn up for work and you are presented with your usual paperwork. You might have a captain running late, a sick cabin crew member, a technical issue with the aircraft, issue with destination weather etc. it's simply an excersize to see how you priorities and organize yourself. Think about the whole picture I.e the pax,crew and commercial needs. Just take your time and try and pick out the major issues and don't be afraid to make a decision that is after all what we are paid to do. The exact details of this years case study I do not know but it's irrelevant anyway as it's just an excersize to see how you work under a bit of gentle pressure.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 12:01
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Thomson recruitment.

Invited to assessment NTR. 3000hrs jet and instructional experience.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 13:17
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Join Date: Apr 2006
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To try and answer some questions

In my opinion Carmen is hit and miss, I've had the same simple standing bid since day 1 and have a different roster every month-despite what my satisfaction score says.
If anyone fully understands the leave system they are not telling anyone. Captains struggle, as an FO I have got leave in 5 of the 6 summer months this year, but not Xmas. Less families etc I guess?
Leave is factored for PPY or part time
Doing other work during your off periods I believe is not clear cut and you need approval from the DFO, the official line is it can't be for a competitor, but I'm not allowed to exercise another type rating, just SFI,I'm full time though

If your only concern is getting to the LHS of a commercial jet as quick as possible, don't waste a sick day

Good luck
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 13:33
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Penworth - Sent a PM
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 16:41
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yup, do the industry a favour and don't do it - sub ryanair conditions around the corner...
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 06:26
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Originally Posted by Penworth View Post
Can I ask a few questions of those already in Thomson regarding the package on offer.

I understand the leave is 42 days per annum. Is this pro rated to 81% of that for those on a part time contract? I understand the leave available is based on seniority and also how many leave points you've accrued in the previous season, but how much leave is it possible to take in the summer? Is there any limit or is it just subject to the above? Do you still get wrap round days round leave?

There was mention earlier in this thread that blocks of days off are penalised in carmen. Has carmen got worse over the last few years or do you just have fewer crews? Is it still possible to get some say over the roster, say a preference for earlies, for example? Do you still have roster protection on all duties?

I know previously the staff travel was something like 1500 to give 70% off a Thomson holiday, do you know if this is what is on offer to new joiners?

Have the negotiations regarding the pension been settled and if so what is the offer going to be for new joiners? 10% company contributions was mentioned, what is the required employee contribution?

Thanks
Leave is 42 days pro rated, you can bid initially for 2 weeks in summer and then top up later. The rules are really complicated! Leave has wrap around days and extra gold days can be added as well so a 7 day block can end up being more like 10 or 11. Seniority has very little effect on leave, mostly it's how many point you have accrued. August and Xmas leave is mega points, November negligible.

Carmen, blocks of days of are not penalised, single days off are. 99% of my days off over the last year or two have been in blocks of at least two, more like 3.

Carmen works for some people less so for others, I find the most successful people are those who just prefer earlies or lates. Or maybe SSH night stops, trying to get a specific day off through Carmen is difficult:

Block window still applies on all duties, 2 hours either side.

Staff travel is pretty good, you are sorta correct but it depends on what you want to book, sensatory hotels for example is your concession (increases with length of service) applied to 70% of the cost so you may only need to pay the 30% in cash. If your concession isn't quite enough then you can top it up with monthly pre tax deductions from your salary. If however you want to travel around Australia and fly Emirates then the discount is way less, I reckon you would need to pay the 75% and use your concessions on 25%, Im guessing a little here as I've never used it on a scheduled carrier.

Staff travel is actually really good but it's a bit like our leave system, it's really complicated and there a literally thousands of options and freebies most of which no one knows about. For example, I was off to France recently and just happened to bring it up with someone in the know and an hour later, after a quick phone call I had a return P&O ticket two and a car for 18 quid, Another 18 quid and we used the business lounge each way! The girls in staff travel are trained travel agents now and are keen to help compared to a few years ago. Mainly because they have more time on their hands as so much is done online.

Pensions... well I don't know what's happening there, it's actually been stipulated form board/European level as we currently have the highest pension contribution in the group, not sure what's going to happen but the union are fighting hard to keep it at 15%. I think minimum contribution is 3% but most do more

regards
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 08:56
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Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: UK
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I also have an invite for an assessment - NTR.
I wondered if anyone could shed any more light on the process itself?
In particular any info on what to expect from the technical test and the interview would be very much appreciated.
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