Monarch in turbulence
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Well this has gone off on a bit of a one-track diversion.
All this Orange rubbish would suggest that Easy is somehow the only option.
Anyhow, best of luck to those under the hammer, particularly those with most of their careers invested in Monarch. Hopefully you can find positions which at least take care of your families needs.
Not ideal, but Airbus captains are sorely needed in China. An unappealing option for most, and a non-starter for some, but they pay very well, and will at least keep you fed and dry for a few years, and provide a good savings buffer to complement your retirement/kids university/alimony. Don't be too proud to rule it out, if you have family depending on you.
Cheers.
All this Orange rubbish would suggest that Easy is somehow the only option.
Anyhow, best of luck to those under the hammer, particularly those with most of their careers invested in Monarch. Hopefully you can find positions which at least take care of your families needs.
Not ideal, but Airbus captains are sorely needed in China. An unappealing option for most, and a non-starter for some, but they pay very well, and will at least keep you fed and dry for a few years, and provide a good savings buffer to complement your retirement/kids university/alimony. Don't be too proud to rule it out, if you have family depending on you.
Cheers.
WWW mentions the possibility of a requirement for a small number of DEC's due Command course failures.
This does not surprise me. Easyjets command course standard is very high.
A couple of ex Easy FO's have told me that some of their new colleagues in BA would not pass it!
Whilst HR might get duped from time to time the Easy Training Dept will not let any DEC's through who are not up to 'Easy speed'.
Anyway back to Monarch...
This does not surprise me. Easyjets command course standard is very high.
A couple of ex Easy FO's have told me that some of their new colleagues in BA would not pass it!
Whilst HR might get duped from time to time the Easy Training Dept will not let any DEC's through who are not up to 'Easy speed'.
Anyway back to Monarch...
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A couple of ex Easy FO's have told me that some of their new colleagues in BA would not pass it!
(sorry, thread creep)
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It is perhaps regrettable that there is so much talk on this thread relating to EZY rather than MON although it is quite understandable.
Both are Luton based airlines with overlapping bases and fleet types. EZY are hiring and MON are shedding in possibly both seats. In recent years MON poached dozens of EZY pilots with the enticement of a permanent contract, a ten thousand pound pay rise and much better terms. The opinion being of many that this was not worth the risk of joining a small company with a big new plan means that there is plenty of interest in recent developments as they settle many a long debate with an answer.
It is of course highly regrettable when an airline enters difficulty and it helps no pilot if as a result pilot pay is reduced. That's a another benchmark lowered for us all.
As I mentioned previously there may be some DEC at EZY because there is little spare training capacity to manufacture command ready SFO's into Captains despite their being no shortage of command ready SFO's *so the RUMOURS go*. The fleet growth plans for the next five years will not all be absorbed by the EU bases so a left seat on British soil in the near future might well be possible and that might be of interest to somebody in MON at the moment.
I imagine such discussion is of more interest and more practical value than merely offering sympathy and encouragement.
The good thing is that there is movement this winter at lots of airlines in lots of places in the world. I was even looking at a contract in China yesterday that was offering £14,000 net a month in China on a narrow body Airbus...
Both are Luton based airlines with overlapping bases and fleet types. EZY are hiring and MON are shedding in possibly both seats. In recent years MON poached dozens of EZY pilots with the enticement of a permanent contract, a ten thousand pound pay rise and much better terms. The opinion being of many that this was not worth the risk of joining a small company with a big new plan means that there is plenty of interest in recent developments as they settle many a long debate with an answer.
It is of course highly regrettable when an airline enters difficulty and it helps no pilot if as a result pilot pay is reduced. That's a another benchmark lowered for us all.
As I mentioned previously there may be some DEC at EZY because there is little spare training capacity to manufacture command ready SFO's into Captains despite their being no shortage of command ready SFO's *so the RUMOURS go*. The fleet growth plans for the next five years will not all be absorbed by the EU bases so a left seat on British soil in the near future might well be possible and that might be of interest to somebody in MON at the moment.
I imagine such discussion is of more interest and more practical value than merely offering sympathy and encouragement.
The good thing is that there is movement this winter at lots of airlines in lots of places in the world. I was even looking at a contract in China yesterday that was offering £14,000 net a month in China on a narrow body Airbus...
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than join the orange or Nigel mob!
Dangerous times.
I know quite a few of the Monarch flight crew have applied to BA (voluntarily I might add!!!
) and I wish them the very best. I, along with many of my co-workers, would have liked to see a fast track procedure in place but unfortunately the bean counters are not to be swayed.Good luck to all and I hope Monarch survives!
(P.S. Got a mate in China, he's desperately looking at getting back to the west, the working environment is... interesting, to say the least.)
short flights long nights
Papi is either joking..or seriously deluded.
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I can't be arsed with the pomposity.
Gotta love those hoops.
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Hook, line and sinker. Yet possibly true.
A couple of ex Easy FO's have told me that some of their new colleagues in BA would not pass it!
Wow, are they on the training standards comittee already these FO's or is it merely unsubstantiated opinion?
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I can't be arsed with the pomposity.
Gotta love those hoops.
and ignore the pillocks at the cheaper end of the market
adjective; affectedly grand, solemn, or self-important: a pompous ass who pretends he knows everything.
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Friend of mine has just asked for an update on his pension status. If he were to 'cash out' he'll lose £95k of his £180k pot. He's really worried that there won't be anything left in 20 years time when it's his turn at the altar.
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and ignore the pillocks at the cheaper end of the market
Hook, line and sinker
Or, to be honest, with 4000+ pilots now there will always be the oddball.
Simple fact is if you don't want to join then don't apply. I haven't worked for this company for my entire life, to be honest I wouldn't have ever wanted to fly airliners for my entire life, for me it's a retirement job! Just too damn dull flying these things.
However, no need to broad brush paint because you don't like the interview process. A process which is designed, run and maintained by the HR department and overseen by a few pilots who only monitor the process anyway until the simulator stage.
The good news for the thread upkeep is that there have been successful applicants from Monarch AFAIK and I wish them every success on the 'Pompous' line.
Hopefully there will be more to come.
