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Monarch in turbulence

Old 29th Sep 2014, 08:37
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WWW mentions the possibility of a requirement for a small number of DEC's due Command course failures.

This does not surprise me. Easyjets command course standard is very high.
A couple of ex Easy FO's have told me that some of their new colleagues in BA would not pass it!
Whilst HR might get duped from time to time the Easy Training Dept will not let any DEC's through who are not up to 'Easy speed'.

Anyway back to Monarch...

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Old 29th Sep 2014, 09:56
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A couple of ex Easy FO's have told me that some of their new colleagues in BA would not pass it!
Wow, are they on the training standards comittee already these FO's or is it merely unsubstantiated opinion?



(sorry, thread creep)

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Old 29th Sep 2014, 11:42
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It is perhaps regrettable that there is so much talk on this thread relating to EZY rather than MON although it is quite understandable.

Both are Luton based airlines with overlapping bases and fleet types. EZY are hiring and MON are shedding in possibly both seats. In recent years MON poached dozens of EZY pilots with the enticement of a permanent contract, a ten thousand pound pay rise and much better terms. The opinion being of many that this was not worth the risk of joining a small company with a big new plan means that there is plenty of interest in recent developments as they settle many a long debate with an answer.

It is of course highly regrettable when an airline enters difficulty and it helps no pilot if as a result pilot pay is reduced. That's a another benchmark lowered for us all.

As I mentioned previously there may be some DEC at EZY because there is little spare training capacity to manufacture command ready SFO's into Captains despite their being no shortage of command ready SFO's *so the RUMOURS go*. The fleet growth plans for the next five years will not all be absorbed by the EU bases so a left seat on British soil in the near future might well be possible and that might be of interest to somebody in MON at the moment.

I imagine such discussion is of more interest and more practical value than merely offering sympathy and encouragement.

The good thing is that there is movement this winter at lots of airlines in lots of places in the world. I was even looking at a contract in China yesterday that was offering 14,000 net a month in China on a narrow body Airbus...
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Old 29th Sep 2014, 12:13
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I would rather goto China and eat a juicy Pug, than join the orange or Nigel mob!
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Old 29th Sep 2014, 12:44
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PAPI-74...

Not been to China then?!?
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Old 29th Sep 2014, 13:28
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than join the orange or Nigel mob!
I had noticed the press gangs roaming the streets looking for ATPL qualified pilots to coerce into service those errant pilots by forcing them into taking the queens shilling!

Dangerous times.

I know quite a few of the Monarch flight crew have applied to BA (voluntarily I might add!!! ) and I wish them the very best. I, along with many of my co-workers, would have liked to see a fast track procedure in place but unfortunately the bean counters are not to be swayed.

Good luck to all and I hope Monarch survives!

(P.S. Got a mate in China, he's desperately looking at getting back to the west, the working environment is... interesting, to say the least.)
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Old 29th Sep 2014, 14:13
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Papi is either joking..or seriously deluded.
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Old 29th Sep 2014, 14:18
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Feathers are about to fly....
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Old 29th Sep 2014, 15:14
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Buy the Captains and the airline (and competitor) can keep shrinking.

A nice strategy for EZY.
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Old 29th Sep 2014, 17:43
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I would rather go to China and eat a juicy Pug, than join the orange or Nigel mob!
PAPI - behind the times mate, Nigel no more its now Ruppert
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Old 29th Sep 2014, 17:54
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Four out of ten; it's Rupert.
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Old 29th Sep 2014, 18:10
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....number of P's depends on your level of grandeur.

Either way, if the application is anything to go by, I can't be arsed with the pomposity.
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Old 29th Sep 2014, 20:23
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I can't be arsed with the pomposity.
If that's what you honestly believe it to be like on the line then the application process has already been successful.

Gotta love those hoops.
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Old 29th Sep 2014, 21:24
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A couple of ex Easy FO's have told me that some of their new colleagues in BA would not pass it!
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Wow, are they on the training standards comittee already these FO's or is it merely unsubstantiated opinion?
Hook, line and sinker. Yet possibly true.
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Old 29th Sep 2014, 22:08
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I can't be arsed with the pomposity.
If that's what you honestly believe it to be like on the line then the application process has already been successful.

Gotta love those hoops.
Ignoring your own delicious slice of self-parody / irony, we only have to look to one of your esteemed colleague's earlier thoughts;

and ignore the pillocks at the cheaper end of the market
pompous |ˈpɒmpəs|
adjective; affectedly grand, solemn, or self-important: a pompous ass who pretends he knows everything.
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Old 29th Sep 2014, 23:01
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Just got internal mail asking for applications for dec easy, LGW base so that answers that one......
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Old 30th Sep 2014, 07:28
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Friend of mine has just asked for an update on his pension status. If he were to 'cash out' he'll lose 95k of his 180k pot. He's really worried that there won't be anything left in 20 years time when it's his turn at the altar.
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Old 30th Sep 2014, 08:30
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and ignore the pillocks at the cheaper end of the market
Perhaps ....

Hook, line and sinker
from ratpackgreenslug (bag rats and a sleeping bag I seem to remember!)

Or, to be honest, with 4000+ pilots now there will always be the oddball.
Simple fact is if you don't want to join then don't apply. I haven't worked for this company for my entire life, to be honest I wouldn't have ever wanted to fly airliners for my entire life, for me it's a retirement job! Just too damn dull flying these things.

However, no need to broad brush paint because you don't like the interview process. A process which is designed, run and maintained by the HR department and overseen by a few pilots who only monitor the process anyway until the simulator stage.

The good news for the thread upkeep is that there have been successful applicants from Monarch AFAIK and I wish them every success on the 'Pompous' line.

Hopefully there will be more to come.
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Old 1st Oct 2014, 11:37
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The CAA have just granted Monarch an extension to its licence until the 24th of October 2014 by which time it 'hopes' to complete its sale, if not ?????
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Old 1st Oct 2014, 18:40
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Does the CAA seriously think Monarch backed by Greybull is a secure and stable operator?!

I can feel the political weight falling on the CAA to approve to protect 3,000 jobs etc...
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