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600 captains is 70 aircraft worth! I'm not gambling on that - certainly not being in a country I want to be in.
Jax, for such an experienced pilot you've missed or not grasped one point - a captaincy or command isn't a qualification. Too many people, particularly university entering/leaving people confuse education, experience and QUALIFICATION. A consultant in a hospital is a qualified position. You do an LPC, an OPC and presumably have an ATPL. Not a command ATPL just as I don't have an FO ATPL.
It's ultimately so far outside my pay grade, no where near my decision and I need to jump through the hoops when my chance comes. No doubt being a captain is not a right to anyone and not every FO can or will have the capacity, ability or the personality to meet the standard. But that standard is subjective to each company too - in Easyjet the bar is very high - it needs to be.
Time will tell all, let's hope we're all happy. Why you didn't apply for the DEC NAP, OPO and AMS I don't know though given how much you want to fly for Easyjet. It's a great company, I can recommend it. If I have the chance to fly with you I'm sure we will have a great day out. I hope you and your family aren't displaced and I very much hope MON turn it around. I don't think they will. I hope they do though.
I'm done on this.
Jax, for such an experienced pilot you've missed or not grasped one point - a captaincy or command isn't a qualification. Too many people, particularly university entering/leaving people confuse education, experience and QUALIFICATION. A consultant in a hospital is a qualified position. You do an LPC, an OPC and presumably have an ATPL. Not a command ATPL just as I don't have an FO ATPL.
It's ultimately so far outside my pay grade, no where near my decision and I need to jump through the hoops when my chance comes. No doubt being a captain is not a right to anyone and not every FO can or will have the capacity, ability or the personality to meet the standard. But that standard is subjective to each company too - in Easyjet the bar is very high - it needs to be.
Time will tell all, let's hope we're all happy. Why you didn't apply for the DEC NAP, OPO and AMS I don't know though given how much you want to fly for Easyjet. It's a great company, I can recommend it. If I have the chance to fly with you I'm sure we will have a great day out. I hope you and your family aren't displaced and I very much hope MON turn it around. I don't think they will. I hope they do though.
I'm done on this.
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Artie is right. I am no fan of seniority lists - they trap pilots in their airlines and prevent others joining, so work in favour of the managers and against pilots, but BALPA seem to generally support the system. So, why should pilots who chose to exclude others and favoured seniority bypass others at a non-seniority airline? They should be treated as any other applicant to the airlines to which they apply, and I suspect they will be. They should receive no more and no less favour than anyone else. I wish them luch, but not at the expense of others.
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Two major differences! Monarch is seniority based where as easy is not. Hence if bean counters want to take DEC they will.
You arrogantly assume that monarch guys are falling over themselves for a shot at easy! If you bemoan the issues of cadets getting regional bases over you commuting far afield then join forces and force your hand, rather than bitching on a forum, on a thread that's not even about easy!!!!
You arrogantly assume that monarch guys are falling over themselves for a shot at easy! If you bemoan the issues of cadets getting regional bases over you commuting far afield then join forces and force your hand, rather than bitching on a forum, on a thread that's not even about easy!!!!
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Go Around Flaps,
You've only missed one thing.
That is that there are many Command ready F/O's on Euro contracts that don't wish to leave their Families for a LGW Command. Their choice I know.
After UK tax and living/commuting expenses they will earn not much more money for a lot more responsibility c/w euro F/O conditions.
So easy will address the Command shortfall by small number of DEC's.
It's not helped by the appalling contracts on offer in AMS. This base might have created movement from some French/Italian bases but very few takers.
As the CEO recently said when questioned about the AMS contract "You don't have to take it ....somebody else will"
Wishing a happy outcome for Monarch crews.
You've only missed one thing.
That is that there are many Command ready F/O's on Euro contracts that don't wish to leave their Families for a LGW Command. Their choice I know.
After UK tax and living/commuting expenses they will earn not much more money for a lot more responsibility c/w euro F/O conditions.
So easy will address the Command shortfall by small number of DEC's.
It's not helped by the appalling contracts on offer in AMS. This base might have created movement from some French/Italian bases but very few takers.
As the CEO recently said when questioned about the AMS contract "You don't have to take it ....somebody else will"
Wishing a happy outcome for Monarch crews.
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Jaxofmarlow, it's your lucky day. I'm sure you'll be applying given how much you wish to fly with us at easyJet:
Genuinely the best of luck with your application.
Good Day,
CAE Parc are accepting applications on behalf of easyJet Airlines, for the recruitment of A320 Captains / Naples, Italy Direct easyJet Permanent Contract.
Terms On Offer:
· Start Date: January 2015
· Salary: EUR117,159 + Sector Pay + Bonus Opportunity
· Loyalty Pay Scheme
· Standby + Night Stop Allowance
· Flexible Roster with 25 Days Annual Leave Entitlement
· Pension & Insurance Included
Please find full terms on offer attached, please note, the contract will be a direct Permanent Contract with easyJet.
Candidates that have already applied to easyJet over the last 12 months, will be required to await for a full 1 year period, before reapplying for an alternative or same contract within easyJet Airlines.
Minimum Requirements:
· Currently operating the A320 family aircraft
· Minimum of 1,000 total flying hours (of which 500 flying PIC hours must be on the A320)
· UK EASA Licence(or converted by start date)
· Class 1 unrestricted medical
· Low visibility Cat IIIB qualified
· EEC Passport Holder
· Min. ICAO Level 4 English with requirement to achieve Level 6 within 6 months of employment
Interested candidates, that meet ALL of the above minimum requirements, please complete, ATTACHED Application Form (in typed format only) and return as soon as possible, along with the following documents:
· Copy of your Passport (s)
· Clear copy of all Pages of your Licence , ratings and radio licence
· Copy of Class 1 Medical
· Copy of your current LPC/OPC, full report including Instructor evaluation
At a later stage we will need the following documents however they are not required for your initial application:
· Licence Verification Letter from your Civil Aviation Authority
· Recent Employer Reference with Contact Details for Referee
· No Criminal Record and no accident incident report
Kind Regards,
Jacinta
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CAE Parc are accepting applications on behalf of easyJet Airlines, for the recruitment of A320 Captains / Naples, Italy Direct easyJet Permanent Contract.
Terms On Offer:
· Start Date: January 2015
· Salary: EUR117,159 + Sector Pay + Bonus Opportunity
· Loyalty Pay Scheme
· Standby + Night Stop Allowance
· Flexible Roster with 25 Days Annual Leave Entitlement
· Pension & Insurance Included
Please find full terms on offer attached, please note, the contract will be a direct Permanent Contract with easyJet.
Candidates that have already applied to easyJet over the last 12 months, will be required to await for a full 1 year period, before reapplying for an alternative or same contract within easyJet Airlines.
Minimum Requirements:
· Currently operating the A320 family aircraft
· Minimum of 1,000 total flying hours (of which 500 flying PIC hours must be on the A320)
· UK EASA Licence(or converted by start date)
· Class 1 unrestricted medical
· Low visibility Cat IIIB qualified
· EEC Passport Holder
· Min. ICAO Level 4 English with requirement to achieve Level 6 within 6 months of employment
Interested candidates, that meet ALL of the above minimum requirements, please complete, ATTACHED Application Form (in typed format only) and return as soon as possible, along with the following documents:
· Copy of your Passport (s)
· Clear copy of all Pages of your Licence , ratings and radio licence
· Copy of Class 1 Medical
· Copy of your current LPC/OPC, full report including Instructor evaluation
At a later stage we will need the following documents however they are not required for your initial application:
· Licence Verification Letter from your Civil Aviation Authority
· Recent Employer Reference with Contact Details for Referee
· No Criminal Record and no accident incident report
Kind Regards,
Jacinta
Jacinta Dooley
Operations Support, Flight Crew
CAE Parc Aviation
St John’s Court
Santry
Dublin 9
Ireland
t. +353 1 816 1725
f. +353 1 816 1711
s. parcavfc
e. [email protected]
w. CAE Parc Aviation - Aircraft Jobs & Aviation Support
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Guys, let's not make this about us at Monarch. We are doing exactly what you would in our situation, trying to get the best possible job. If Easy have suitably qualified FO's waiting for lhs then absolutely stick them in before Monarch. If Easy don't do this then is it the right place for you? We have guys that are still going on about how unfairly they have been treated but are they looking elsewhere, nope. If you don't like the decisions your Managment make then go somewhere else. I think I'm a bit grumpy at the moment but I do wish some of my colleages would grow a set and stop moaning. Life is a 
sometimes but get over it and move on.
sometimes but get over it and move on.
Mesh you plonker......(said in the nicest possible way
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this thread is not about Monarch pilots but about Easyjet First Officers in the UK! Do you not get the feeling that there are a few Easy peeps who are a tad nervous about what their management might do.....
)this thread is not about Monarch pilots but about Easyjet First Officers in the UK! Do you not get the feeling that there are a few Easy peeps who are a tad nervous about what their management might do.....
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I think the thing the easy guys are nervous about is a workforce like that at Monarch , willing to take a 30% pay cut , running into inferior contracts at easyjet making the slippery slope far more acute !
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1. If that workforce is willing to locate to Porto, Amsterdam or Napoli then it will happen. DEC and SFO.
2. UK pretty saturated at the moment with regard to Captain positions. Indeed pass rates on command courses have been less than anticipated. Regardless of peoples perception of easyjet the training is extremely thorough and in the most part fair. If some of our SFO,s are struggling ( with their knowledge of manuals and procedures) then external DEC candidates need to be hot. Much better than me.
2. UK pretty saturated at the moment with regard to Captain positions. Indeed pass rates on command courses have been less than anticipated. Regardless of peoples perception of easyjet the training is extremely thorough and in the most part fair. If some of our SFO,s are struggling ( with their knowledge of manuals and procedures) then external DEC candidates need to be
hot. Much better than me.
I heard a rumour that the CAA are concerned about experience levels in LHS at easy and that the company are being pressured to recruit some more experienced captains. I wouldn't go there
just saying what I've heard.
just saying what I've heard.
I REALLY SHOULDN'T BE HERE
A lot of nonsense speculation going on in this thread; people are taking snippets of facts and arranging an elaborate story which just doesn't reflect the reality of the situation.
I clicked on this thread to offer my support to the guys and girls at Monarch, but found a thread full of Orange tosh. I'm sure the Monarchists don't give a toss about "Command ready F/O's on Euro contracts" or bases in AMS/LIS/OPO or even the rumoured new base at Moonbase Alpha.
The Monarch crews have invested their professional lives tirelessly in Monarch which is where a secure future should be their well earned reward.
The spivs in the city have presented a challenge to the team at Monarch that no inflight emergency could replicate, no training has been given for the avoidance of a financial emergency!
Having been there myself, following a failed MBO at a UK regional, I could not have a lower opinion of the "suits", who can move from deal to deal with a fat bonus, leaving hard working, highly skilled and dedicated individuals high and dry like flotsam on the ocean of financial incompetence.
Good luck to you all and ignore the pillocks at the cheaper end of the market who seem to think that this is an appropriate time to wade in with the smart comments.
The Monarch crews have invested their professional lives tirelessly in Monarch which is where a secure future should be their well earned reward.
The spivs in the city have presented a challenge to the team at Monarch that no inflight emergency could replicate, no training has been given for the avoidance of a financial emergency!
Having been there myself, following a failed MBO at a UK regional, I could not have a lower opinion of the "suits", who can move from deal to deal with a fat bonus, leaving hard working, highly skilled and dedicated individuals high and dry like flotsam on the ocean of financial incompetence.
Good luck to you all and ignore the pillocks at the cheaper end of the market who seem to think that this is an appropriate time to wade in with the smart comments.
I have heard a whisper that the rumoured orange DEC holding pool desired is ten guys tops.
This being to cover the possible command course failurers from next years 160-odd command courses. Mostly because fleet expansion is going to be quite a bit more than planned.
There is only the possibility of a tiny orange lifeboat it seems.
This being to cover the possible command course failurers from next years 160-odd command courses. Mostly because fleet expansion is going to be quite a bit more than planned.
There is only the possibility of a tiny orange lifeboat it seems.
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I could not have a lower opinion of the "suits", who can move from deal to deal with a fat bonus, leaving hard working, highly skilled and dedicated individuals high and dry like flotsam on the ocean of financial incompetence.
I am ex Monarch and have been reading this thread to see if there is any worthwhile information, lately it mostly seems to be about Easyjet recruitment and how Monarch's problems will affect them.
May I suggest another thread be started by Easyjet pilots with regards to their future employment conditions etc.?
