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Old 1st Apr 2014, 09:18
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THY USA Roadshow

Just got conformation that THY will be conducting a roadshow in the USA.
Los Angeles: 14-15th April
Chicago: 18-19th April
New York: 22-23rd April
more info.
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Don't forget to check the exchange rate gents! Then when you get a US Dollar equivalent, subtract 30% as that seems to be the yearly amount the value drops year to year.

Globally Yours
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...PLUS i have one contract in writing which states your pay (without the quarterly "bonus") starts when line training begins! That means zip, during induction & ground school training
The agency refuses to answer or confirm my email queries.
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Why do these guys have to be so cheap. If they would stop messing around with pay and benefits I am sure that they would get their applicants.
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Turkish Airlines - First Officers & Captains Recruitment - Pilot Roadshow USA

Hi guys,

Was on my linkedin account today and came across this:

"Turkish Airlines - Pilot Roadshow - LA, Chicago, NYC:
Turkish Airlines is seeking FIRST OFFICERS & CAPTAINS to join its award-winning airline! Their HR team will be in the USA in April to meet with pilots. If you would like to attend, please email ... "PM for email address - not sure of the rules putting it on here, if i'm allowed, please let me know and i'll edit"... Roadshow details *Los Angeles: April 14 and 15, *Chicago: April 18 and 19, *New York: April 22 and 23.

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No pay before line training start is ....FRIGGING NO GO

Warning !!

Training and waiting for uniforms in most cases takes around 3 months and in some cases much longer..thats a long time without pay..

In my opinion much better contracts out there, many of us are planning our exit...there is a reason why they are recruiting in the good ol usa now...


You have been warned

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Chocks Away:
not sure where you have that paperwork from but as soon as you start you get paid a salary without the flight wage (j class wage as you are a "student" untill you line check).. how it works is your pay in diveded in to 2 sections a basic salary that you get paid regardless of flight time and a flight wage with give you an amount upto 70hrs. beyond 70hrs you get extra loading...
but during training it is a norm to do a jump-seat ride (observation) flight on the sim which will give you your flight wage ( even 1 hrs in the sim as an observer).. this was happening last year ..not sure this year though but ill research it .. and if you have worked for Turkish airlines since you have a contract you will know this is a norm...

twentyyearstoolate, Hoover and Chocks Away:


i can understand that the pay issue is problematic especially because it is in Turkish lira and the tendency for the currency to fluctuate but this is in no way in the control of THY they haven't played around with the pay or benefits in a negative way. if you look from the first generations of expat contract and benefits to the present history will provide you with an improving picture

.. may be not to some peoples expectations but credit must be given that at least its improving...

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Training and waiting for uniforms in most cases takes around 3 months and in some cases much longer..thats a long time without pay..

In my opinion much better contracts out there, many of us are planning our exit...there is a reason why they are recruiting in the good ol usa now...
seriously mate give me one name or someone sane enough to be employed 3 months without pay.. lets not be factual with fictitious bits of information..
as its stated you get paid during your training and if the uniforms don't come you spend more time on the ground with PAY so enjoy Istanbul while you have the time...

look guys im not management nor im a some glorified instructor or stake holder int he company every organisation has there positives and negative and i can say, as i have always said .. its not a Utopian airlines but for the aviation market the way it is and the other so called 'greener' opportunities one might think there is .. its a acceptable deal until something better come around.. i am a first gen expat on the narrow fleet.. i have accepted that i am just a " transitional" resource but at the end of the day i get paid on time every time for a duty that i have been hired to accomplish... any expectations other than that ( trying to change management company culture etc..) is just wishful thinking like within any other organisation...

if anybody wants real facts about flying here in THY as an exact i always open to Pm's

my whole aim of these threads is to inform the guys out there that might not be fortunate to have a job at the moment or the ones looking for change (probably to escape from the desert or satay fountain).. not so the thread can be hijacked with hyped up bulls#it that is 90% misinformed or scaremongering ...
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RTFQ G4

Mate, not scaremongering, i was merely responding to chocks away.I know you get paid during this period however if turkish as chocks away mentioned is changing the contract to NOT getting paid until line training ,then it is a long time get it? Read before you respond why so jumped up ?

By the way they are not to keen anymore on giving you an observer flight in the sim after your ground school. During your ground school they may give you one but you practically have to beg for it..

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G4FRCE: Do you have any updated information on the FO pay on the 737 and the 777?
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GF4RCE ... You fail to tell the people what the "non flight" pay is. Without flight pay you will get around 5000 - 7000 Lira. Thats $2000 - $3000 per month.

Do you think that is fair compensation for a Captain with over 11000 hours (their requirement for DEC). Bearing in mind 3 months could EASILY take longer, as THY are grossly inefficient in the Ground School area.

i can understand that the pay issue is problematic especially because it is in Turkish lira and the tendency for the currency to fluctuate but this is in no way in the control of THY they haven't played around with the pay or benefits in a negative way. if you look from the first generations of expat contract and benefits to the present history will provide you with an improving picture
Yes it is. They can pay in US dollars or Euro!! Like other expat jobs!!

Globally Up...

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Narrow body pay is the same regardless of aircraft type for F.O with all the extras you should avergae 12-13,000 lira + quaterly bounus of 5000+ lira (about 5500-6000$USD). this is for 70hrs block anything about 70hrs you get extrta loading of about 140lira (69$USD) per block hr. they have sunday weekend loainf at 1.5x any public holiday loading.
as i and twentyyearstoolate regarding basic salary mentioned your pay is divided into 2 parts. FO get basic sum of about 5000-6000lira ( basic wage non flight pay which depending on you senoirity scale -p5 or p4.. about 6months you go from p5 to p4 status which gives an extra 800lira or so in pay)
then you get a flight pay of about 6000+ Lira
keep in mind that at the moment the strategy of the airline is to transfer new recruits (mostly expats) from narrow body to the widebodies.. its happening as we speak 737 guys being transfere to the B777 or A330/340 and the airbus guys to the A330/340.. if thats a good or bad thing ...wellits depends on how you look at it but from my point of view its a good chance to get heavy jet time and open your career options for the future...

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RTFQ G4
there was no TFQ in that mate it was a bold comment .... if so why doesn't chocks away post it on the web for all of us to see??
Mate, not scaremongering, i was merely responding to chocks away.
really the way i see it ....was more of a negative connotated comment than anything else.. BTW im not jumped up..

.I know you get paid during this period however if turkish as chocks away mentioned is changing the contract to NOT getting paid until line training ,then it is a long time get it
thats a very BIG 'IF' mate...i can tell you that IF and i say a very big IF they do that ,, then they will be only shooting themselves in the foot ...the number of crews they require will prevent them from doing this... ok ill say i got a contract with them giving my 100,000Euro pay for 10 hrs of flying a month ..are you going to believe me... this is what i am trying to say... lets base our constructive options on factual information not factious rumors... as you have mentioned, either you have worked or still working here by saying you know you get paid during training but that doesn't stop you from the scaremongering bandwagon does it..

the fact is at the end of the day you are provided with a contract knowing that
1. pay is in Turkish Lira - so if you sign up you accept any fluctuations of the currency, if it get too bad then you can give in your resignation (after the 12mths) and leave.
2. The pay structure - its all layed out in paper work.. and i know for a fact during the roadshows they go into detail about pay structure
3. your flight pay will only start when you start at the sims/line (how ever you may be able to get a observation sim ride for the flight pay, this was a norm from my knowledge last year..) this is a normal for many carriers, even my past employers wouldn't pay you full salary untill your active in line....
4. Rest days - getting better (this is where the wide body has an advantage)

..... you go there do the screening if you pass look at the contract and if your happy then sign if not then don't.... there no point in spreading evil after you sign up know the condition beforehand

i signed up accepting all this.... yes things ar not perfect there are times when you think sh#t but at the end of the day i would like to **** down on my days off enjoy a beer with mates in public not being threatened to be put in jail or head cut of and not surrounded by yellow sand in 50 heat yes the Turkish mentality in the airlines can be difficult at time as they have their own idiosyncratic behaviors but i tell you from experience its a lot better from some of the Asian carriers... its the way you approach your job and them in particularly is the key...

THYTHY:
can tell you that my training took a lot longer than 3 months. The training department is always over stretched so it's a matter of luck, in my case I got the short end of the stick.
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if it true, im sorry to hear mate.. the training dept is the weakest link in the whole operations but one must give them credit because the shear intake of personnel with the limited resources they had made the job near mission impossible biut its getting better (be it slowly)... like with any other rapidly expanding organisation.. rapid change brings other issues into the equations and unfortunately yes sometimes people like yourself get the short end of the stick and that is unfortunate as i have had a few short ended issues as well..
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Thanks for the info

How is the roster on the 777 for the FOs? Is there any chance to goto europe for 3-4 days in block per month?
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In not on the B777 but a few friends of mine are.. and have the best roster in all the fleets.... they average about 4-5 flight per month with 2 being ER and the rest about 4-5 hr sectors (europe - mideast).. expat capts i think for the wide body get around 12-14 days off per month if i am not mistaken...
the B737 and A320's are the work horses here & you get whipped ) but still able to get 4 block days off per month so you can go for a mini break some where on your ID90 tickets or free domestic flight pass...
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Thumbs down Sighh g4

Okey ..if i want to be negative then thats my opinion isn't it?

Fact is that my experience in THY isn't very positive and so what now, do I have to ask you permission before posting on here ? You clearly are management,you seem to have to much interest in promoting Thy's t's and c's and if you really fly here you know things aren't as rosy as you portray them.
And you know why they have started recruiting in the usa brazil hong kong etc so stay with your facts then and tell the people that they cant find any people in Europe anymore and hence are resorting to outside Europe.

While you are at it with your facts why don't you tell these nice people that they have to change their license to a worthless turkish license before the end of 2014 and post the memo here, not really an issue if you are FAA licensed me thinks..

So ask chocks away to post the contract instead of making comments towards me regarding it ..ps the TFQ was about reading my post initially but you seem to be on pprune stirring things up. You are correct you are not jumped up., you are plain aggressive mate

Iam with you to keep things as close as possible to the facts so people can make an educated choice but don't go around here pretending to be the all knowing guru on thy's terms and conditions because you are not..
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Facts

1. Captains pay narrow body fleet around 18400 if you do fly or do an observer flight 'around 1300 TL more if you have a degree.
2. Every 3 months you get a so called bonus of around 8900 TL
3. Every hour you fly above 70 hrs you get additional pay of around 178 TL per hour
4. Regarding ID 90 tickets it really depends where you fly from and the policy regarding it although there is a regulation about it some stations seem to interpret the rules differently.At some stations for example they wont put you in bizz class even though there is space, is what We witnessed with a f/o friend.

5. You have to change to a turkish license as per company memo, so everybody decide for their own how it works out for you.

6. Medicals now are to be done in your own off days and you pay upfront and the company pays the money back, however keep in mind that you have to turn in the receipt within 15 days, otherwise it's bye bye money.

7. Upgrade policy for F/o the only thing I know about that is fact is that you have to have a university degree and have it approved by the YÖK which has its own bureaucratic pitfalls and stress.

8. If you go for an interview and you are not sure ask... And make sure you ask the recruitment manger per mail so you have everything in writing..

9. I am sure g4 will dictate now what i can and cant write

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Magh3 Magh3 Magh3...
i aggressive look who has there panties in a twist..

you can post what every like be you own opion or someone elses...
that fact is you may have had a bad expereience with THY as you may not be the 1st or the last my friend but i am merely trying to state the factual information here withoout the bullshyte somepeople tend to attach to the horror stories...
You clearly are management,you seem to have to much interest in promoting Thy's t's and c's and if you really fly here you know things aren't as rosy as you portray them
please tell me where have i ever glorified working in THY .. i always said its not the best carrier but FOR ME personally its one of the better options... i mention the t's and c's here because some memeber wanted to know and i merely gave him FACTUAL INFORMATION not procrastinated factious hate message AN NO I AM NOT MANAGEMENT nor have any aspirations to be .. you learn this being an expat working for many different carriers and personalities ... its called professionalism

tell these nice people that they have to change their license to a worthless Turkish license before the end of 2014 and post the memo here
as an expat have never received or been requested for such a absurd thing.. seriously an all sanity no country can revoke or take your ICAO licence unless its the issuing stated.. the only proviso from my knowledge is that transferring licences from one EASA state to another requires your file to be transferred to the new state... there is going to be some validation process always like many other countries out there ... seriously why would they change the requirements from EASA to ICAO licences and go on a recruitment drive internationally then have to spend an absurd amount of costs to get them new licences???? i personally have my 3 other ICAO licencees haven't been asked to hand anyone of them in

ps the TFQ was about reading my post initially but you seem to be on pprune stirring things up. You are correct you are not jumped up., you are plain aggressive mate
im stirring up things???? ... what rear of crack hole are you looking at the post on pprune.. seriously matey if you look at my post history i hardly spend time here .. occasionally i come and go and in no time have i ever 'stirred' up thing on contrary i tend to think i provide balanced facts.... but seems to me people such as your self that are hell bend of crapping negatively rather providing constructive information to people that may need a living or looking for other opportunities, are not too happy ????

I am with you to keep things as close as possible to the facts so people can make an educated choice but don't go around here pretending to be the all knowing guru on thy's terms and conditions because you are not..
agreed keep the information close to real facts and not so people can make an educational choice but where you mistaken like with so many other things because of you personal biases, an your entitled to have them, is that i am no guru nor have a stated i am however i have been working in this part of the world (in turkey) since 2007, which let me see if my maths is correct... 7 years
now i would presume to have a bit more knowledge (not a GURU as YOU STATED) than guys that come here and split after a 1-2 years.. that considering i have worked in Asia Middle east, Africa and South America as well ...
So mr Wise## oops i mean magh3 before trying make unsubstantiated comments (with respect to you views and rights) about others have a bit of professional respect.. it called common courtesy in civilized language

as always a post that is supposed to inform turns into a personal slang match with a few "unhappy" chaps here ) .. just wondering where the others are...
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ok much better hehehe
now for a balanced view )
1: yes somewhat correct.. average captain pay is around 18-20k lira with the extras (depending on exper semority etc) and correct for the degree ))
2. yes correct every 3 months you get a bonus called "ikramiye" iek-ra-me-ye.. about 5k lira for FO's
3. yes ) well done its about 140 lira for FO's aswell
4: true but nothing that can not be worked around its called commonsense and ingenuity...
5: not so my licences and its equivalency (validation) is governed by MY issuing authority and or the DGCA here in turkey.. Unless either one of them send me a formal letter requesting other wise you are not legally obliged ..in the legal frame work you are legal to fly a TC- registered aircraft on a Turkish AOC period .. now i have searched the DGCA website and unable to see such a statute.. please if you do come across it i would be very appreciative if you send the link to me aswell...
6: somewhat correct but its a 4 max 5 hrs process and you get your money back?? gess its only 1 check per year are you really that pedantic about 5 hrs process that only occurs once a year????
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yes YOK for now for the degree... but the committee is working on a resolution to either relax this or abolished .......btw i see YÖK your using turkish characters which either mean your still here or love the Turkish keyboard layout ) so if its that bad why you still inthis place)) for informational purposes with no malice or bad intentions..

8: TOTALLY AGREED for a change ) Ask ASk ASk ASk ASK Ask.....
9: what was you co-id# hahahahah no mate you can write what ever you want )) its a free world ((so i belive)
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What fleet has the best trips?? IE does the T7 do new york etc and the 330/340 do the not so glamorous destinations??, I have a friend who has the option of 33/40 or 777 he is an 737 fo , airbus would be better for jobs after leaving thy but apparebtly 777 has better destinations
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Mine is longer contest

Alright g4 i was kind of hoping we would get some common sense into this discussion.

Very keen observer are you g4, you are right Iam biased. In all honesty if i would have no kids and no debts back home to pay off I would have stayed here for a long time, however 2 kids in private school and the average turkish drivers make me go nuts at times.
The reason why iam still here is because it still is better flying here as it was at home because the terms were really ****e over there so yes it is an improvement overall however, what really makes me angry and insecure is that i have no clue what thy is planning for us expats in the long run and that is really making me negative about this experience. Make no mistake THY doesn't ow me anything other then my salary however it would be nice to say that we could be here 15 years from now and know that we can move on to larger equipment etc and be valued employees instead of these damn yabancis..

Maybe iam negative because I rather would be living in Europe and maybe Iam just disappointed in aviation as a whole , and disappointed in my previous company for being so ****e,and that my seniority and hard work was for nothing and I feel that I just start completely from the ground up again, However this is not THY'S fault these are my issues and I have to deal with them..

G4 seems like an experienced aviator and he puts some things into perspective and iam sure that things might be worse at other companies in other parts of the world. And G4 Iam sure when we have a raki together, you would know that I would be very respectful to you as a human and your experience its just the regular pprune slagging before common sense kicks in haha.

Regarding licenses, i have seen the memo on foreign pilots at Thy it was dated from dec or nov 2013 iam sure somebody else knows the exact date.
The way i was told is that indeed they would send your files to turkey from your licensing country and that you would not be able to get your license back. I have not read up on this whole thing yet and i hope you are right g4 i have mouths to feed and it would really suck if i would not be able get another job because of this license thing..

Anyhow iam interested on more info from the guys that have researched this truly..
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Housing is relatively cheap, if you on the european side nearer to airport, Florya area is nice, villa around 3500 TL plus service charges, European Schools are available but expensive, transport is cheap, cars are expensive to by due to luxury tax, petrol very expensive,sometimes twice cost of Europe, food is cheap but eating out in trendy restaurants can be pricey, wine is expensive in restaurants. We go out for breakfast, its cheaper than making it, also many yemek places do fixed menus, if you are not a fan of cooking yemek sepeti will deliver usually at a discount on menu prices. Your wife needs her own resident permit, she cannot stay on yours, there are strict regulations on days allowed on tourist visa. Food on aircraft is always first class, too much really! Yes, there were rumours about demanding a DGCA licence by end go 2014 due to the DGCA restrictions, but nothing firm. If you get medical done in your own country there is a limit to the reimbursement, but if you have a DGCA ticket the Company can book you into their approved Hospitals. I have no idea where the pay figures quoted come from! but lets say as a Captain you should get about 25K THY average. Tax is low, health insurance and LOL is good and comprehensive. The Company does not provide transport at home base, but an allowance is paid. If you choose to live on the Asian side,allow 2 hrs travel to be safe. Yes the Lira is fluctuating but time deposits of 30 days pay 8 Percent, credit cards have loyalty points and overall living costs are, in my opinion, about 40% of Europe. As for working conditions, CRM, etc etc, that's a matter of personal opinion. Most guys are happy, but as with any job, some are not. If you are seriously interested, many agencies can give you the accurate info as sometimes things appear to be " lost in translation" on this site..

Regarding changing the licence, under EASA regs the state that issues your licence also must hold your records, you can transfer them to Ankara and that's simple, I have no experience of getting them back ( I doubt it will be straight forward here) ,although if you keep records there should be no problem in getting the licence revalidated when you return to EASA land again, Part FCL gives the requirements for revalidation of the licence. Your rating will not have " expired" according to the currency regulations, although you will need to do an LPC with an EASA approved ATO and " training as required" plus a new medical. Your EASA licence is valid until your normal retirement age ( depending on ELP) but the privileges cannot be exercised while operating under another licence issued by another state. Although some of the TREs can revalidate at LPC as they have EASA approval, it can get messy and like CX the Company is seeking to avoid these issues
which can lead to crew down time.

Hope this helps

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