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easyJet Lisbon pilots announcing 5 days of strike

Old 3rd Dec 2013, 13:57
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easyJet Lisbon pilots announcing 5 days of strike

HF40. So are legit striking reasons embedded in the law?
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Old 3rd Dec 2013, 15:07
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Gigoloboy.

I worked for ezy for several years. I work for BA now. I can confirm the "type" of pilot that works for ezy is cunningly similar to the "type" of pilot that works for BA - funny that. The LIS contract is . I was offered a command in ezy in LIS, just before I quit. No thanks.

Good luck to those going on strike, that is their call. No other ezy pilots will actively attempt to strike-break. Being instructed by the company to operate out of LIS is something very different to what you and a few other armchair heroes are mud-slinging about.

How do you know a "majority, no question" of easyjet pilots would willingly sabotage a strike?
Have you worked there? Do you know any easyjet pilots?

I'm just curious because you state your opinion as fact, and having worked for ezy I'm pretty sure the "majority, no question" of ezy pilots, not to mention pilots in other airlines, would review your comments and dismiss you as an idiot.
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Old 3rd Dec 2013, 16:22
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Originally posted by THYTHY:
I regret to inform these Lisbon based pilots that I fail to see whatever set of moral values they can invoke to justify this strike, and I am sure that Easyjet's management goons will have the time of their lives roasting your b*ts , because you sold it to them by accepting conditions that further push our Profession into the abyss .
Partly true, because you also have to blame it on the already employed, Stockholm Syndrome suffering, fence sitting EZ pilots who basically let the LIS pilots fend for themselves...and now that they do fight for themselves some people are again complaining!

Perhaps in retrospect it was a smart move from the LIS pilots: join a financially successful company by initially accepting the crappy 'take-it-or-leave-it' offer on the table. Now that they have more leverage by actually being employed and being covered by Portuguese Law, they turn that very same table and 're-negotiate' the contract! Well done boys and girls!
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Old 3rd Dec 2013, 21:56
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Several people in this and the Ryanair forums have tried to discredit me by saying I have no clue, but yet, not a single person has had a single credible rebute to my statements except to say "I don't know what I'm talking about". Well here's the thing, I do know, and I'm sorry that you have all been caudled and had your hands held for so long that you can't handle someone actually calling you on it.

Where's that apple?
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Old 3rd Dec 2013, 23:06
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justagigolo77

I’m afraid that your constant insults towards easyJet and its staff are becoming somewhat tedious and actually quite irritating. Considering you work in Canada, I’m struggling to see what you actually know or understand about the situation in Lisbon.

I am certain that no one signed the Lisbon contract to ‘fly the big shiny jet’ and for many people your tone is actually quite offensive considering you know nothing about their personal situation (and no it's not because they "know you're right"). The Lisbon contract is dismal, however if you were out of work and had a family to feed I very much doubt you’d say no to the Lisbon contract on the ‘moral highground’. Now the pilots down there are trying to do something about the situation and yet you still aren’t satisfied and still have some personal vendetta against a European airline which you will more than likely never work for. In a very recession-hit Europe people are trying to grab whatever job they can to make ends meet, pay back the mortgage and feed the family, not just in the aviation industry. If someone who was in this situation said no to a job on the grounds that it ‘undermines their profession’ then they would be clinically insane.

I, like many others am interested to know the ‘type’ of the pilot that works for easyJet. It’s a ridiculous and factually untrue statement to say most pilots flying for easyJet are ‘spoilt rich kids’. From where I’m standing I would say a friendly, professional group of individuals who have joined easyJet for a whole host of reasons. We have some very experienced Captains, many of which coming from BA after compulsory retirement at 55. Furthermore many of the pilots have come from other airlines; on top of that we have ex-flight instructors, ex-military pilots and cadets. People weren’t blinded by shiny jet syndrome; they were trying to get their first job.

easyJet is not perfect and I won’t sit here and pretend it is. However if you’re looking for a secure employer flying short haul around Europe then there aren’t many better options. I like many other pitch up (or used to) at easyJet for a honest days work. (and no I'm not an EJ pilot, I was the other side of the flight deck door)

Your entire posting history stinks of arrorgance. This will be my first and last contribution to this thread.
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Old 4th Dec 2013, 00:33
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Could someone please post the conditions, just simple numbers like monthly (how many) salary, pension contribution, days off/month, annual leave.
It's a bit hard to judge what is so bad, not knowing these data.
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Old 4th Dec 2013, 06:14
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Compare this to Wizz Air fresh Captain contract:

40k annual, with only 11 months guaranteed (the company has a right to give you one month of unpaid leave a year at their discretion - so it could work out to 36,333k annual) plus sector pay 60/sector for a medium sector. Lets say average 40 landings a month. Are you still complaining?
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Old 4th Dec 2013, 07:31
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there is no question in my mind I would never work for the likes of easy
Justagigolo77, there's probably no question in anybody else's mind either.
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Old 4th Dec 2013, 07:32
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Just because there may be a lower paying contract elsewhere doesn't mean the easyJet LIS contract is good.
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Old 4th Dec 2013, 08:07
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Gigolo, you have stated that you don't have the intellect to become a doctor or a lawyer and from your comments here I can absolutely believe that. A few of our cadet pilots came from previous careers in medicine and the law by the way.

As someone who flies with these 'spoilt rich kids' with little or no flying ability, I am happy to tell you that your fears surrounding piloting skill are unfounded. I am regularly impressed with the way our cadets handle the aircraft. I have only had to say 'I have control' 3 times and 2 of those times were with senior FO's who worked their way up through the ranks so to speak. If you were to look at their CV's you would think that they really should have known better! The cadets don't make it through their courses at CTC or Oxford if they're not up to scratch and nobody makes it through Easy's training dept. if they're not up to the job.

Are Easyjet saving money every time they employ a cadet over an experienced FO? Yes.

Are Easyjet guaranteeing themselves a high calibre young pilot? Yes.

Does this give high calibre individuals a route into flying for a blue chip airline PLC? Yes.

That's why the system works.

Is everyone a winner? No. There are plenty of pilots stuck in dead end jobs for whom Easyjet hasn't been an option for the last few years. That has now changed however and as I speak we have experienced type rated and non-type rated pilots joining the company.

Gigolo, you are commenting on something you clearly know very little about. There's nothing stopping you doing that, but I do think you should try to take this fact on board if you are able.
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Old 4th Dec 2013, 18:51
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Mr Jigolo,
I've worked for Ezy for over 10 years and I've never paid for a type rating, that's Bus and Boeing.
From the garbage coming out of your mouth I suggest that you don't work for any airline.
You are an ignorant condescending
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Old 4th Dec 2013, 19:01
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The moral high ground

I think that we should leave the moral high ground to Mr Jigolo, it is clear that he is holding this in the strange little world that he lives.

Meanwhile the rest of us will have to battle with the reality of keeping the kids fed and the mortgage paid.
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Old 4th Dec 2013, 19:43
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FYI, much to the dismay of everyone here to be sure, I will not be posting on this thread anymore. I believe I have made my point and refuse to go in circles with the likes.

Good luck with the strike, let's see how it works out for Easy, LIS pilots and other based Easy pilots. I guess time will tell how far off I am. I'm going to bet it won't be too far.

So long
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Old 5th Dec 2013, 07:47
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Having worked for a few locos, and knowing plenty of people in both the main EU rivals and many other EU airlines too, I can honestly say they they aren't of any specific type. They are just like other airlines' pilots. Some very ill-informed people will suggest that loco pilots are in some way inferior, but if that were the case, why would the legacy carriers be so keen on recruiting them? I can't see an inferior class of pilot dealing with so many NPAs on to postage stamp sized contaminated runways with next to no company support and so much time pressure not coming a cropper; the conditions that they operate in without any significant statistical incident blip shows they are mostly very capable indeed.

As for their attitudes and them letting the industry slide, some people do not have the luxury of sitting unemployed until the plumb jobs open up for them, and if they did they'd be so far out of currency that they'd be unemployable. You have to take the jobs that are available, and you can't dictate terms from outside. Some also put family before job satisfaction, and would rather work for an unpleasant employer or for lower salaries than leave their family, and I count myself amongst those.

So, should those individuals be barred from trying to improve their lot? Of course not. And by improving conditions at one of the locos, other rivals will have to up their game to compete, and ultimately so will the legacy carriers. So rather than condemning these guys, they should be applauded and encouraged.
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Old 5th Dec 2013, 08:19
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Originally Posted by WHYEYEMAN View Post
As someone who flies with these 'spoilt rich kids' with little or no flying ability,...I have only had to say 'I have control' 3 times and 2 of those times were with senior FO's who worked their way up through the ranks so to speak.
In nearly twenty years of not flying with spoilt rich kids I have had to say "I have control" precisely zero times.
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Old 5th Dec 2013, 23:46
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But to be fair, the Airbus can be a little trickier than turboprops and barbie-jets.
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Old 6th Dec 2013, 10:22
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You've never flown a Q400 then
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Old 6th Dec 2013, 13:49
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Amen to that LordSpandexMaster, I've recently moved from Q400 to A320 and the difficulty in handling the latter compared to the former is quite staggering. In a good way.
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Old 6th Dec 2013, 14:02
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Debatable. I would be happy to put their hand flying skills up against just about any North American pilot who has worked his way up rather than flight school to airliner
Today, you don't need to be ace with 20-20 uncorrected vision, lightning reflexes, perfect co-ordination etc etc. Therefore, the supply of people is much greater, and it's impacted upon the price 20 years after the introduction of the A320.
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Old 7th Dec 2013, 09:55
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Seriously though, if that is the case then I am genuinely looking forward to flying with some of your ex-colleagues.
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