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easyJet Lisbon pilots announcing 5 days of strike

Old 30th Nov 2013, 08:13
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easyJet Lisbon pilots announcing 5 days of strike

easyJet's Portugal pilots plan Christmas-New Year strike | News.com.au
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Old 2nd Dec 2013, 07:48
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pilot replacing other on strike

What Easyjet management has done in the past two years in Lisbon is simply crazy. It sounds really unbelievable from the Orange Spirit company. And now they are looking for volunteers to replace the pilots going on strike.....I mean ...REALLY? Pilots on strike and some colleagues go to Lisbon to replace them????? Who has proposed that should be ashamed of himself for the rest of his life and the same for the pilots accepting to go, but I understand that slavery is not an option.... What a dark moment for aviation....
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If the same situation happened in the united states( the bastion of capitalism), the Pilots breaking the strike would be excommunicated and blacklisted on a permanent basis which would effect not only their current lifestyle but also future work potential.

In my view industrial action by one group of Pilots should be respected by other groups. We have seen this profession degenerate enough, without putting the accerarator on ourselves.
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Anyone breaking a strike needs to be blacklisted as an unreliable crewmember and treated as such for the rest of his/ her career.

If during this strike you are called in to cover for striking collegues, only one possibility, and that is to call in sick or to tell bluntly that you are not willing to break industrial action by collegues.

Have some balls for God sake and stop being the typical selfish but oh so afraid pilot. In any other industry, strike action is followed by everyone and management would not even think about replacing a striking crowd by "volunteers" from a different base/factory. They would all refuse.

Any strikebreaker is not worth being part of a crew as a crew needs trust as a first priority.
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Do BALPA have any take on this, or are they being as lilly livered as they always were when asked to step up to the plate in Ryanair.

Maybe not (strictly speaking) "their patch", but surely some guidance & support could be provided to UK based/contracted pilots to enable them to support their Portugese based/contracted colleagues.

This whole divide/conquer cancer has to be resisted. When Contractors (or should that be pilots employed by wholly owned subsidieries ?) in Norwegian outnumber "core" pilots I hope enough progress has been made to enable (for example ) the ECA to coordinate things a bit better than seems to be the case thus far in Ryan or Easy.

It ain't rocket science, but I have the perception the will/impetus is somewhat missing in this task.
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Do not be so ridiculous mr. Smith, if there is any common sense and crew spirit in the Orange Army, then any sacking due to refusing to cover for striking crew, should in their turn result in a massive and immediate strike by all pilots in the company. Or are all Easyjet Officers cowards
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Agreed, but there are those amongst our rank who would see this an opportunity to lick the dick of management for personal gain, sadly.....

It would be very different of course if they hired in the likes of Titan to replace striking crews, much more difficult call for their pilots...
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Old 2nd Dec 2013, 16:25
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Let's try this again. Any pilots who refuse to operate the affected flights will be in breach of their contract of employment. They will be sacked for this breach. UK employment legislation is not friendly towards secondary industrial action.
Agreed, I sometimes do wish that it wasn't so but in the UK the consequences of taking unprotected Industrial action can be catastrophic.

I'm not saying it's right, so please don't shoot the messenger:

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Old 2nd Dec 2013, 16:31
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I don't follow why it would be a difficult call for Titan (or any other ACMI company) pilots.

If such a scenario were to be played out, I doubt very much if the average e.g. Titan pilot would be aware of the fact that easyJet pilots were on strike in Lisbon.

All that would happen would be that the phone would ring and crewing would tell them to go an fly in Lisbon for a few days. And they would merrily go off and do just that.

The fact that a strike may be ongoing is irrelevant - in fact if an e.g. Titan pilot refused to go to cover such a series of flights, they may well be breaking the law as well. Who knows, but I wouldn't want to be a test case....

Let's hope the sorry mess gets cleared up before it reaches that stage anyway.
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Let's try this again. Any pilots who refuse to operate the affected flights will be in breach of their contract of employment. They will be sacked for this breach. UK employment legislation is not friendly towards secondary industrial action.
yes, and that's why some people cooperated during WWII.
If you don't fight or you are just a sheep following others sheeps, we will always get our terms and conditions lower and lower....
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Got to love the muppets who believe in Father Christmas and the Strike fairy
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Old 2nd Dec 2013, 22:04
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easyJet Lisbon pilots announcing 5 days of strike

Who needs to permit a strike? (Genuine question)
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Old 3rd Dec 2013, 07:49
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jero- there are protected strikes and unprotected strikes. protected strikes your employer can't take any action agaisnt you, however an unprotected strike and they can kick you out the door with no notice needed, and if it is found that your union condoned your actions they can be liable for any losses the company suffers.

in the uk supportive strike action is illegal!

you can only have a protected strike action for lawful reasons, so striking because someone was fired because they didn't want to fly the affected routes would be illegal, hence unprotected.
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Old 3rd Dec 2013, 08:14
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the "type" of pilot that would work for the likes of Easy or Ryan
There are plenty of pilots within BA, Virgin, Emirates et al who have previously worked for EZY or Ryanair - what type of pilot is that then exactly? Quite frankly I find your tone offensive, justagigolo77.

John Smith is right - any UK-contract pilot going on sympathy strike would leave themselves open to dismissal for gross misconduct. European-contract crews, on the other hand, have the right to refuse and I believe historically have done so.

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Old 3rd Dec 2013, 09:22
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Justagigolo, you clearly have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about.

THYTHY, the way Easyjet works is that they get their pound of flesh out of you when you first join and then things steadily improve for you. Right or wrong, it's the way it is. If 4000 people applied for 120 jobs at YOUR company, how would you react?
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Which is why they're taking industrial action Sick.
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Old 3rd Dec 2013, 11:11
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Hmm - am I not right in thinking that Lisbon pilots are permenantly condemned to much poorer terms for doing essentially the same job for the same company as you?
Which is why they're taking industrial action Sick.
But didn't they sign on the dotted line to accept those T's & C's in the first place

It's no good signing up then a few months down the line threatening to strike because the sums don't add up

As for others covering the affected routes, isn't this just the same as when BA cabin crew went on strike and many airlines jumped in to cover making a nice little sum in the meantime, can't remember that causing a fuss or anybody saying those airlines/crews were doing wrong, except the strikers of course
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Why does signing a contract mean you can't take industrial action?

Explain please.

You can hardly take strike action if you didn't sign a contract.
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Old 3rd Dec 2013, 11:32
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well you can not really (or should I say should not) take industrial action over T&C's you knowingly signed up for...unless they have changed for the worse since you signed up.
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