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Heard from a fairly reliable source that only flexi/parc 12 month contracts are being offered to new joiners regardless of previous experience, performance in assessment etc.
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AdM,
Word from the horses mouth i.e., someone who has attended the interview, is that EcamSurprise is right.
Is the Union aware of what is going on or not?
EcamSurprise,
Except that no one knows anyone who has been offered the below:
Is everybody who applied that bad?
A380 DEFO position anyone?
Word from the horses mouth i.e., someone who has attended the interview, is that EcamSurprise is right.
Is the Union aware of what is going on or not?
EcamSurprise,
Except that no one knows anyone who has been offered the below:
Either you get a Permanent contract entering as SO / FO / SFO depending on your experience etc and this may be 75% or 100% depending on base.
A380 DEFO position anyone?
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At the end of your interview, the HR lady gives you a form to complete. This form asks you your base choices. It also asks you to circle yes or no on the form as to what contracts you will accept. I circled NO for the flexi 1 yr contract. When I had finished completing my form the HR lady looked over it and asked me 3 times to confirm that I was sure that I didn't want to circle YES for the 1 yr contract. I told her that I wasn't in a position to accept such a contract. She shrugged her shoulders. I knew what was coming. PFO email duly arrived later. My advise is to keep saying YES until they offer you a contract. You might get some sim practice out of it if nothing else.
Interestingly, 13 out of the 16 applicants on my day had jet experience, many are left seat. The 3 TP were left seat.
Interestingly, 13 out of the 16 applicants on my day had jet experience, many are left seat. The 3 TP were left seat.
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I'd be surprised if anyone has. No-one I attended with was offered permanent. And one guy was 5000 hrs left seat jet. Heavier than an A320.
Don't tell me all these experienced guys aren't deemed worthy of a proper job in easyjet's eyes. Of course they are. They are just trying to get away with paying the least. It's a farce.
I've politely declined. I did say I would consider a permanent contract, but I'm not deluded enough to think I, or anyone, will get it. And as for those saying the starting salary could possibly be FO/SFO. If they're offering guys like I mentioned above flexiscrew contracts who exactly do they deem worthy of an SFO slot?
I hope someone gets a proper job out of it. I will cross my fingers that Jet2 comes up, they seem a decent employer who values experience and treats the RHS as a valuable part of the team, not an income source.
Don't tell me all these experienced guys aren't deemed worthy of a proper job in easyjet's eyes. Of course they are. They are just trying to get away with paying the least. It's a farce.
I've politely declined. I did say I would consider a permanent contract, but I'm not deluded enough to think I, or anyone, will get it. And as for those saying the starting salary could possibly be FO/SFO. If they're offering guys like I mentioned above flexiscrew contracts who exactly do they deem worthy of an SFO slot?
I hope someone gets a proper job out of it. I will cross my fingers that Jet2 comes up, they seem a decent employer who values experience and treats the RHS as a valuable part of the team, not an income source.
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maybe im being naive about it,but arent you guys a bit too pessimistic?
i mean,they keep adding planes to the fleet,they train you to their standards and for sure,its a tough first year as flexi,but why wouldnt they extend you after the 12 months to a fixed permanent position, as they have been doing to so many others...
12 months in such a "regime"
is not the end of the world..or is it?
please correct me if im wrong!
i mean,they keep adding planes to the fleet,they train you to their standards and for sure,its a tough first year as flexi,but why wouldnt they extend you after the 12 months to a fixed permanent position, as they have been doing to so many others...
12 months in such a "regime"
is not the end of the world..or is it?
please correct me if im wrong!
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I think there may be a misunderstanding here, but I am not sure. For the benefit of those not familiar with the recently negotiated New Entrant Contract (NEC) deal, let me lay it out again as follows:
You will be taken on initially as flexicrew for one year on an hourly rate, before joining the Company proper as a bona fide easyJet employee. Thereafter you do one year a Second Officer on £38k and no allowances, two years as a First Officer on £44,901 + around £8,270 sector pay and then after 2 years in rank (4 years since you joined as flexicrew) you become a Senior First Officer on £55,120 + £8,270 sector pay. Those FO/SFO jobs can end up as 75% salaries depending on which base you go to, as not all bases can offer 100% contracts. All contracts will be get the usual loss of licence, pension contribution of 7% etc. It is only when you become an SFO that you will be guaranteed the 5/3/5/4 roster pattern instead of a random roster. Also the promotions to the different ranks have some total flying hours experience limits attached to them, which in the vast majority of cases would not be an issue.
Regarding FO bonuses, under the previous contract a loyalty bonus was given of 5% after 3 years of a permanent contract. Under the NEC, which new joiners will receive, that is no longer the case. Instead, if the company performs well, you will receive up to 10% 'performance bonus' upon completion of 2 years on a permanent contract - ie 3 years after you join the Company. It is a better deal than previously, but more dependent on easyJet's profitability.
Once you become a Captain, your basic salary is £90,012 (90% of that for the first 6 months) and your sector pay is £28.75 per sector (the Company assumes 480 sectors a year) making the total sector pay around £13,800. In addition you get a 'loyalty bonus' of 5% of basic after 2 years, 10% after 5 years and 15% after 10 years. Those years are backdated to the day you join as an SO, so if it took you 8 years to become a Captain you would kick in straight away to the 10% loyalty bonus. Again, the Company pays 7% of basic + loyalty pay into your pension fund each year. In addition there are various performance payments of 2 weeks salary depending on Company success - for a Captain that is capped at £3k and has been paid the last 2 years and probably this year too. Finally, if you become a Training Captain, there are various 'levels', all of which are pensionable (i.e. your 7% includes your Training Captain uplift). You get 12.5% for a Line Trainer, 15% for a TRI, 17.5% for a TRE and 20% for an Airborne Base Trainer.
So that is the basic deal. Now onto the allegations of different contracts being offered out depending on how good your are at interview. I am very aware of the 75% contract deal, although in practice it will be 100% for most people. That is what was agreed with BALPA and is in keeping with the terms of the New Entrant Contract (NEC) and is part of the deal for a period of time. At no point, however, was there any agreement regarding 'not being good enough to get a permanent contract' so you get some sort of naff CTC flexicrew deal. My initial feeling on this is that some more experienced pilots may have been offered a higher place on the NEC scale than others. In practice that means that some pilots may be allowed to join at, say, the second year which would give them a straight £38k a years as Second Officers. Others, by virtue of experience, may be eligible to join as, say, First Officers and so on. That does not mean there are multiple contracts on offer – it means that you can join higher on the NEC scale, which I would have no problem with in principle. I will be happy to accept if I am wrong, but at this stage I do not believe I am. It would turn into a very big deal indeed were there to be some variation on what has been agreed at the highest levels between BALPA and the Company. As I say, I will check and find out, but I think my explanation is more probable at this point.
You will be taken on initially as flexicrew for one year on an hourly rate, before joining the Company proper as a bona fide easyJet employee. Thereafter you do one year a Second Officer on £38k and no allowances, two years as a First Officer on £44,901 + around £8,270 sector pay and then after 2 years in rank (4 years since you joined as flexicrew) you become a Senior First Officer on £55,120 + £8,270 sector pay. Those FO/SFO jobs can end up as 75% salaries depending on which base you go to, as not all bases can offer 100% contracts. All contracts will be get the usual loss of licence, pension contribution of 7% etc. It is only when you become an SFO that you will be guaranteed the 5/3/5/4 roster pattern instead of a random roster. Also the promotions to the different ranks have some total flying hours experience limits attached to them, which in the vast majority of cases would not be an issue.
Regarding FO bonuses, under the previous contract a loyalty bonus was given of 5% after 3 years of a permanent contract. Under the NEC, which new joiners will receive, that is no longer the case. Instead, if the company performs well, you will receive up to 10% 'performance bonus' upon completion of 2 years on a permanent contract - ie 3 years after you join the Company. It is a better deal than previously, but more dependent on easyJet's profitability.
Once you become a Captain, your basic salary is £90,012 (90% of that for the first 6 months) and your sector pay is £28.75 per sector (the Company assumes 480 sectors a year) making the total sector pay around £13,800. In addition you get a 'loyalty bonus' of 5% of basic after 2 years, 10% after 5 years and 15% after 10 years. Those years are backdated to the day you join as an SO, so if it took you 8 years to become a Captain you would kick in straight away to the 10% loyalty bonus. Again, the Company pays 7% of basic + loyalty pay into your pension fund each year. In addition there are various performance payments of 2 weeks salary depending on Company success - for a Captain that is capped at £3k and has been paid the last 2 years and probably this year too. Finally, if you become a Training Captain, there are various 'levels', all of which are pensionable (i.e. your 7% includes your Training Captain uplift). You get 12.5% for a Line Trainer, 15% for a TRI, 17.5% for a TRE and 20% for an Airborne Base Trainer.
So that is the basic deal. Now onto the allegations of different contracts being offered out depending on how good your are at interview. I am very aware of the 75% contract deal, although in practice it will be 100% for most people. That is what was agreed with BALPA and is in keeping with the terms of the New Entrant Contract (NEC) and is part of the deal for a period of time. At no point, however, was there any agreement regarding 'not being good enough to get a permanent contract' so you get some sort of naff CTC flexicrew deal. My initial feeling on this is that some more experienced pilots may have been offered a higher place on the NEC scale than others. In practice that means that some pilots may be allowed to join at, say, the second year which would give them a straight £38k a years as Second Officers. Others, by virtue of experience, may be eligible to join as, say, First Officers and so on. That does not mean there are multiple contracts on offer – it means that you can join higher on the NEC scale, which I would have no problem with in principle. I will be happy to accept if I am wrong, but at this stage I do not believe I am. It would turn into a very big deal indeed were there to be some variation on what has been agreed at the highest levels between BALPA and the Company. As I say, I will check and find out, but I think my explanation is more probable at this point.
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I have a report of a 320 pilot failing the selection then recontacted, told he had now passed and being offered a parc flexi crew contract that leads to no guaranteed job, permanent flexi parc.
What I don't know is where this was. My guess is Germany or maybe Portugal? If the UK then serious questions need to be asked, am waiting on confirmation of location of this "offer".
What I don't know is where this was. My guess is Germany or maybe Portugal? If the UK then serious questions need to be asked, am waiting on confirmation of location of this "offer".
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I know of another that was initially told they were unsuccessful following an assessmnent day. Two days later they were offered a flexi-contract which they declined. This was UK
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The ones who are selling this as a good deal can only be institutionalised.... 20k for what I read on a fixed term contract of 1 year on a mixed of full time to part time.
Had I known this I wouldn't have wasted my time applying.
Had I known this I wouldn't have wasted my time applying.
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I seem to remember applying for a permanent position as a FO with easyJet. Not a flexi contract as a SO. Does anyone remember being told that they were applying for a second officers position on a flexi (paid per hour) contract?
Has easyJet deceived everyone who has applied? What other surprises are around the corner for those who accept?
I believe if your on a flexi you don't get paid anything during your training so thats another few grand your down.
Imagine if after paying £20k plus and not being paid for a few months, they then say "sorry we don't need you this month. We'll call you next month if we need you".
No wonder lots are saying no. Doesn't exactly make you feel valued does it!
Has easyJet deceived everyone who has applied? What other surprises are around the corner for those who accept?
I believe if your on a flexi you don't get paid anything during your training so thats another few grand your down.
Imagine if after paying £20k plus and not being paid for a few months, they then say "sorry we don't need you this month. We'll call you next month if we need you".
No wonder lots are saying no. Doesn't exactly make you feel valued does it!
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You get paid during training also on days that you are standby. The wage is then 3,5 times your hourly rate.
The difference with the old flexi contract is that SS and taxes are handled by CTC so you dont have to start your own company and handle all your taxes yourself. Also there is a possbility to get paid during sick days after approval.
Its not all bad but also not as good as the direct FO position that I thought I was applying for. So I have to make up my mind if I will take it or not.
The difference with the old flexi contract is that SS and taxes are handled by CTC so you dont have to start your own company and handle all your taxes yourself. Also there is a possbility to get paid during sick days after approval.
Its not all bad but also not as good as the direct FO position that I thought I was applying for. So I have to make up my mind if I will take it or not.
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MikeHoncho - can you say exactly what you've been offered. You say you're paid 3.5 x normal hourly rate whilst training. So does that mean that if your in the sim 2 hrs a day you're paid 2 x hourly rate x 3.5 times? What about being paid when on ground school? Is that 8 hours a day x hourly rate x 3.5 times?
It would be good if someone could be clear on what is on offer here. No-one seems to know what they've actually been offered.
My understanding of a flexi contract is you're paid £65 per hour with no guarantee of how many hours you'll do. At the end of year one you have an interview with the base captain for a permanent job. I understand you are not paid until you start induction which is AFTER TR training.
It would be good if someone could be clear on what is on offer here. No-one seems to know what they've actually been offered.
My understanding of a flexi contract is you're paid £65 per hour with no guarantee of how many hours you'll do. At the end of year one you have an interview with the base captain for a permanent job. I understand you are not paid until you start induction which is AFTER TR training.
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In addition you get a 'loyalty bonus' of 5% of basic after 2 years, 10% after 5 years and 15% after 10 years. Those years are backdated to the day you join as an SO, so if it took you 8 years to become a Captain you would kick in straight away to the 10% loyalty bonus.
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I don't want to try and confuse matters and would be very interested to hear from those 'in the know'. However, we were told on the day of our assessment by senior management that the contract type offered to us (permanent or flexicrew) will be dependant on requirements at our chosen base AND performance during selection.
I said I wouldn't accept the 12 month flexicrew contract. Been told I'm in the pool and they'll be in touch with a contract and start date. So we'll see...
I said I wouldn't accept the 12 month flexicrew contract. Been told I'm in the pool and they'll be in touch with a contract and start date. So we'll see...
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Is there somebody that has more info on the Lisbon base?
I heard it is at the moment less popular because of the increased taxes in Portugal, but do they have a shortage of pilots there or is there no specific demand for that base?
I heard it is at the moment less popular because of the increased taxes in Portugal, but do they have a shortage of pilots there or is there no specific demand for that base?
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Very low pay, random roster with few days off, 20 days of leave in random roster, 60 min report time, impossible to transfer out of the base unless you find a victim who is willing to take your spot.
