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Non type rated easyjet recruitment?

Old 30th Sep 2013, 18:50
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Not my intention easy. I'm not sure taking a temporary contract (for this most definitely is a temporary 12 month contract with CTC) on a paid per hour basis could be any better than a permanent contract even with a really poor outfit and thats why I think people must be pretty desperate to accept these terms.

My own personal opinion is this deal sucks and you'll lose lots of good potential easy Captains who will have little choice but to decline this offer. Seems strange that easy have gone to all this trouble to recruit those who are so desperate as to take such a massive risk with their families future financial security.

Good luck to all whatever you choose.

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Old 30th Sep 2013, 23:39
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Safety is our no 1 priority.

Unless it costs money.

Jet 2 currently recruiting experienced pilots. And doing it 'properly' from what I can see.

Who's the safest Loco in the land? Looks like Jet2 from here.
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Old 1st Oct 2013, 06:47
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Who's the safest Loco in the land? Looks like Jet2 from here.
Just to be devil's advocate for a moment - that doesn't hold water. Years ago, long before the low-cost model of pilot recruitment was dreamt up, there were plenty of accidents and incidents caused by so-called experienced pilots. I'm not in anyway defending or supporting the present method of recruitment for airlines such as easyJet but I feel I do have to point out an obvious non-sequitur.

I've been involved in training for long enough to know that there is not necessarily a correlation between hours in the log-book and a pilot's competence. Over the years I have been a TC at easyJet I have observed pilots who do not have the skill or knowledge, technical or non-technical, that their hours would suggest they ought to possess. Let me assure all here that easyJet pilots who fall short of the expected standard are helped to improve where needed and that continuing poor performance is not accepted. The training department at easyJet is recognised to be industry-leading.
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Old 1st Oct 2013, 07:15
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"Lots of toga10 takeovers and damaged aircraft"

What?

Surely this is exactly the reason why you want guys who know what they are doing in your flight decks at easyJet?

I'm at a loss to understand why a company would tolerate "lots" of the above. It is a blatant failing of the recruitment model, training standards and the quality and safety system as a whole.

The group SMS would soon enough demand a root and branch review of such occurrences if they happened "lots", as they can't be adequately described as low enough risk to the tolerable to any AOC holder.

Also, who is to say the guy who doesn't "give a ", or watches. Movie in the cruise, is the same one who can't land an aircraft?

I'd suggest that your post is a fabrication, in order to suit your ends of defending the indefensible.

Facts, not fiction - despite this being a rumour network, I really can't believe what you just wrote.
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Old 1st Oct 2013, 07:23
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Alexander de Meerkat

AdM,

I only have one series of questions for you:

Was your probation period one of 12 months duration?

Or were you somehow different due to the fact that "the world was different then", or because your infinite previous experience was somehow more valuable than many of the CURRENT AND TYPE RATED EXPERIENCED PILOTS currently applying to easyJet?

In fact, were you type rated when you joined easyJet? Or was it possible that "because the world was different then", you were trained and bonded at easyjet?

When you joined easyJet, was the company not competing in the same viciously competitive market that it does now? Arguably the market wasn't so well developed, but easyJet was smaller then and less profitable than now. Hence more prone to shocks than today, with its vast profits, immense cash flows and hugely cash generative ancillary arrangements.

I would say easyJet is better placed than it ever has been to dominate the market it is in - certainly far more able of doing so than when you joined.

Don't mistake competition in business for being the red light to abuse your professional brethren.

I'm sure you're a great trainer, captain and all round good egg. But, respectfully, you need to take off your blinkers and have a look at the reality outside of your mindset.

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Old 1st Oct 2013, 08:43
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I'm guessing AdM is a member of the training team, and no doubt one of those who campaigned management to get rid of flexicrew. Maybe feels a little put out that the very chaps / ladies he sought to help seem so "ungrateful" for his efforts?

AdM - you have to see what an utterly rubbish offer this is. I can't think of anyone who would give up permanent employment and a place on a seniority list for this despite the fact that easy does look like a great place to work once you've got your feet under the table. This may very well be better than the awful flexicrew, but "better" does not necessarily mean "good".

(I am disinterested - I neither work for, nor seek to work for easy).
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Old 1st Oct 2013, 12:29
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De Fummo I take offence (on behalf of all Flybe/ex Flybe guys in particular) at the notion that the people likely to take the job are people who are not good enough to find something better. Which jobs exactly do you propose we should take instead bearing in mind there is the barest trickle of pilot recruitment right now and all of that is generally for rated guys?
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Old 1st Oct 2013, 12:34
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Answer the question.

i.e. Name the plethora of airlines in the UK taking applications for non rated experienced pilots

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Old 1st Oct 2013, 13:09
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It's a very good point Rex, your choices are limited in the UK. I have had to find work freelancing overseas for the last few years. Desperation is a big driver when you have a family to support. I got to the point where I'd decided to quit flying altogether and start down a different path when I found an employer willing to pay for a very expensive rating for a 3 year bond and I'm now based in the UK. There are jobs out there but you need to search very hard and use your contacts. But please don't devalue yourself and your profession by taking these crap terms from easy.
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Old 1st Oct 2013, 14:43
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Alexander de Meerkat

Um, answer the question in hand please rather than give the usual nonsensical politician's answer. Let me remind you what I said:

Originally Posted by Artic Monkey
If Easy was offering a permanent contract as you so profusely testify then any company worth it's salt would put their employees on a permanent contract from day ONE and have it written into the contract that continuous employment is based on a 12 month probation.
Where did I say that the 12 month probationary period is too long? What I said was that it was completely unnecessary to offer a "flexi style" 12 month probationary contract. Any company worth it's salt would place their "employees" on a permanent contract from day one and include the 12 month probation as part of this contract just like 99.99% of other businesses do.

You're right about keeping costs down, and to that end you know and I know that is the reason these contracts are being offered, it's nothing to do with probation, nothing to do with weeding out the "rubbish", it is purely and simply to do with getting something for nothing, but do you know what? I don't actually blame easyjet, I blame the people who take the contracts. These contracts solely exist purely because people are willing to accept it, you can dress it up or down as much as you like, but that is why they exist. Easyjet are offering this contract because you know and I know that they can and will "not offer" a permanent contract at the end of the 12 months if it doesn't suit them, they hold every ace in the pack. If things change and the market changes then they can just pull the plug as and when they see fit and they can walk away with no employer responsibilities whatsoever. You know this is the real reason, and I know this is the real reason but unfortunately the band of hypnotics will continue to march on until there are no T&Cs left in this industry, driven down by the very people who will climb over everyone and everything just to sit in the rhs of that shiny new jet you allude to.
Unfortunately for me I am taking your advice. I am not accepting the contract. You will have to sell easyjet to me better than telling me I'll be sat in a new jet; sorry but it's just an aeroplane. You'll have to do better than tell me I'll fly to lots of destinations unrivaled by most other airlines; sorry but it's just a runway, they are all the same. Unfortunately I am the wrong side of 40 to be worrying about shiny jets and shiny runways, but herein lies the problem, there are many, many people from the UK and across Europe who see this as a catch. Good luck to them, and good luck to yourself and easyjet.

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Old 1st Oct 2013, 15:45
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This is just another reminder of how the aviation market has changed, and whereas once RHS A320 would have led to reasonably good T&Cs that it is a distant memory.

The broad message seems to be try and become LHS and life's rosy, for now.

Is it a disgrace? No, it's all part of the European labour market and the original design aims of Airbus - not that I saw this coming!
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Old 1st Oct 2013, 17:00
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Old 1st Oct 2013, 17:15
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Permanent First Officer on salary or starting on an hourly rate? You being paid by easy or CTC?

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Old 1st Oct 2013, 17:42
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Permanent offer made today. Employed by easyJet from day one.
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Old 1st Oct 2013, 18:11
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Well done thats a great result
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Old 1st Oct 2013, 18:25
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So great to see the industry moving again for experienced people. That is finally an improvement on an industry that appeared to not require experience and in fact actively sought to avoid experience as it was "expensive". If it keeps going this way could terms and conditions go up some time soon too? Market forces going pilots way maybe?!

I'd love a crystal ball!!!!
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Old 1st Oct 2013, 18:45
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Permy SO LGW offered this evening. Paid from Day 1 by Easy during TR (my expense @ 20K)
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Old 1st Oct 2013, 18:50
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Great news. Can we close this thread now?.
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Old 1st Oct 2013, 19:41
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Was unsuccessful after the online tests this year, but with permanent contracts on offer I'll certainly be hoping that they open up to applications again next year for us non-TR experienced folks. I love my little jet, but it certainly feels like time to move on to something bigger and to a true career company. I feel that easyJet would fit that mold very nicely.
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Old 1st Oct 2013, 20:30
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You'd have to change your name though.
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